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Wednesday, March 4th 2015, 12:06am

I recall that one of the locked items I was working under was that the factories were built in the same window as RA's factories, if this is wrong I can correct it.

I don't see why it should be. Frankly, I'm not even set on the need to build them at all, but I think it's one of the things you wanted to get stuck into the plan.

Spreadsheet linked here with the proposed plan. As I said, some minor wrangling is required, but it keeps both the original Saints and their rebuilds, the Caesars, and everything else that's been discussed.

102

Wednesday, March 4th 2015, 12:28am

OK, will go ahead and play with things on mine with factory numbers.
You smug-faced crowds with kindling eye
Who cheer when soldier lads march by,
Sneak home and pray you'll never know
The hell where youth and laughter go.
-Siegfried Sassoon

103

Wednesday, March 4th 2015, 12:57am

Baseline Saint class. Only changes made are correction of shell weights, alteration of light AA guns, and changing the cruising speed to 25knts as opposed to 20knts with the same amount of fuel (did this because its one of the few ships with a 20knt speed and I want to be consistent)

Quoted

Incrociatori Corazzati 1931, Italian Armored Cruiser laid down 1931

Displacement:
13,875 t light; 14,531 t standard; 16,585 t normal; 18,228 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
637.63 ft / 623.36 ft x 65.62 ft (Bulges 75.69 ft) x 24.61 ft (normal load)
194.35 m / 190.00 m x 20.00 m (Bulges 23.07 m) x 7.50 m

Armament:
12 - 7.99" / 203 mm guns (4x3 guns), 275.58lbs / 125.00kg shells, 1927 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
14 - 3.94" / 100 mm guns (7x2 guns), 30.86lbs / 14.00kg shells, 1931 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, all forward, 3 raised mounts - superfiring
16 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm guns (4x4 guns), 1.55lbs / 0.70kg shells, 1931 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, all forward, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
8 - 0.98" / 25.0 mm guns in single mounts, 0.48lbs / 0.22kg shells, 1931 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 3,768 lbs / 1,709 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150
16 - 23.6" / 600 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 7.28" / 185 mm 433.07 ft / 132.00 m 9.84 ft / 3.00 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Upper: 0.79" / 20 mm 65.62 ft / 20.00 m 8.20 ft / 2.50 m
Main Belt covers 107 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead and Bulges:
1.57" / 40 mm 305.12 ft / 93.00 m 32.81 ft / 10.00 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 7.48" / 190 mm 4.92" / 125 mm 5.91" / 150 mm
2nd: 1.18" / 30 mm 0.79" / 20 mm 0.79" / 20 mm
3rd: 0.39" / 10 mm 0.39" / 10 mm -
4th: 0.39" / 10 mm - -

- Armour deck: 2.95" / 75 mm, Conning tower: 7.48" / 190 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 86,000 shp / 64,156 Kw = 30.87 kts
Range 3,760nm at 25.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 3,696 tons

Complement:
729 - 949

Cost:
£5.302 million / $21.210 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 440 tons, 2.7 %
Armour: 4,405 tons, 26.6 %
- Belts: 1,315 tons, 7.9 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 583 tons, 3.5 %
- Armament: 853 tons, 5.1 %
- Armour Deck: 1,548 tons, 9.3 %
- Conning Tower: 105 tons, 0.6 %
Machinery: 2,572 tons, 15.5 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 6,159 tons, 37.1 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,710 tons, 16.3 %
Miscellaneous weights: 300 tons, 1.8 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
24,767 lbs / 11,234 Kg = 97.0 x 8.0 " / 203 mm shells or 4.1 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.17
Metacentric height 3.5 ft / 1.1 m
Roll period: 16.9 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 53 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.46
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.07

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.500
Length to Beam Ratio: 8.24 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 28.95 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 56 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 20.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 3.28 ft / 1.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 30.18 ft / 9.20 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 22.80 ft / 6.95 m
- Mid (70 %): 22.80 ft / 6.95 m (13.78 ft / 4.20 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (20 %): 13.78 ft / 4.20 m
- Stern: 13.78 ft / 4.20 m
- Average freeboard: 20.69 ft / 6.30 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 106.0 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 103.9 %
Waterplane Area: 28,340 Square feet or 2,633 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 124 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 133 lbs/sq ft or 649 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.96
- Longitudinal: 1.37
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate


Once this is OKed I will take care of the refit.
You smug-faced crowds with kindling eye
Who cheer when soldier lads march by,
Sneak home and pray you'll never know
The hell where youth and laughter go.
-Siegfried Sassoon