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1

Tuesday, July 9th 2013, 5:56pm

Some of my ships are missing

Specifically, I found a set of French ships that didn't get placed in the encyclopedia.

This repair ship was paid for in the Q1/34, Q2/34, Q3/34, and Q4/34 reports. However, it doesn't seem to have gotten into the encyclopedia.

Additionally, in the Q1, Q2, and Q3 reports cited above, as well as the Q1/33, Q2/33, Q3/33, and Q4/33 sim reports, I noticed that ten 100-ton wooden subchasers were constructed in Saigon per quarter; and in Q3/32 and Q4/32, ten 108-ton subchasers were constructed per quarter in Saigon and New Caledonia. These also appear to have been missed in the encyclopedia. Thus it appears I have 70x 100-ton subchasers and 20x 108-ton subchasers.

So... I'm going to add them to my encyclopedia (after I sim them, since I can't find a sim). Just letting you guys know. :)

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Tuesday, July 9th 2013, 6:01pm

RE: Some of my ships are missing

Quoted

Originally posted by Brockpaine
Specifically, I found a set of French ships that didn't get placed in the encyclopedia.

This repair ship was paid for in the Q1/34, Q2/34, Q3/34, and Q4/34 reports. However, it doesn't seem to have gotten into the encyclopedia.

Additionally, in the Q1, Q2, and Q3 reports cited above, as well as the Q1/33, Q2/33, Q3/33, and Q4/33 sim reports, I noticed that ten 100-ton wooden subchasers were constructed in Saigon per quarter; and in Q3/32 and Q4/32, ten 108-ton subchasers were constructed per quarter in Saigon and New Caledonia. These also appear to have been missed in the encyclopedia. Thus it appears I have 70x 100-ton subchasers and 20x 108-ton subchasers.

So... I'm going to add them to my encyclopedia (after I sim them, since I can't find a sim). Just letting you guys know. :)


Isn't it terrible discovering you have more ships available than you thought you did? Particularly when they are bought and paid for? :D

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Tuesday, July 9th 2013, 6:03pm

When I saw the title, I thought those ships were missing because someone had sunk them. :)

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Tuesday, July 9th 2013, 6:03pm

RE: Some of my ships are missing

Quoted

Originally posted by BruceDuncan
Isn't it terrible discovering you have more ships available than you thought you did? Particularly when they are bought and paid for? :D

It's terrible indeed. :P I was looking to see if perchance there are any destroyers hiding under the bed, too... but alas, seems there aren't.

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Tuesday, July 9th 2013, 6:23pm

Since I haven't found any sims for the subchasers, I'm going to suggest these as alternatives:

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[SIZE=3]108-ton Class, French Subchaser laid down 1932[/SIZE]

Displacement:
108 t light; 115 t standard; 126 t normal; 135 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
113.60 ft / 111.55 ft x 18.04 ft x 5.09 ft (normal load)
34.63 m / 34.00 m x 5.50 m x 1.55 m

Armament:
1 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm guns in single mounts, 12.87lbs / 5.84kg shells, 1932 Model
Dual purpose gun in deck mount
on centreline forward
2 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (1x2 guns), 1.95lbs / 0.89kg shells, 1932 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mount
on centreline aft
4 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns in single mounts, 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1932 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 18 lbs / 8 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 350

Armour:
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 0.79" / 20 mm - -

Machinery:
Diesel Internal combustion motors,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 928 shp / 692 Kw = 18.00 kts
Range 2,000nm at 12.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 20 tons

Complement:
18 - 24

Cost:
£0.043 million / $0.172 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 2 tons, 1.8 %
Armour: 1 tons, 0.9 %
- Belts: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 1 tons, 0.9 %
- Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0.0 %
Machinery: 27 tons, 21.8 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 62 tons, 49.4 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 18 tons, 14.1 %
Miscellaneous weights: 15 tons, 11.9 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
230 lbs / 104 Kg = 17.9 x 3.0 " / 75 mm shells or 0.3 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
Metacentric height 0.5 ft / 0.1 m
Roll period: 11.2 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 53 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.15
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.29

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has raised forecastle
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.430
Length to Beam Ratio: 6.18 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 12.71 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 70 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 41
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 11.65 ft / 3.55 m
- Forecastle (25 %): 10.01 ft / 3.05 m (8.37 ft / 2.55 m aft of break)
- Mid (50 %): 8.37 ft / 2.55 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 8.37 ft / 2.55 m
- Stern: 8.37 ft / 2.55 m
- Average freeboard: 8.94 ft / 2.73 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 99.9 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 116.2 %
Waterplane Area: 1,312 Square feet or 122 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 142 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 23 lbs/sq ft or 111 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.76
- Longitudinal: 11.40
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Breakdown of Miscellaneous Weights:
- 2 tons for ASDIC
- 13 tons for depth charges

Ships in Class:
- CSM-01: Built in Saigon July 1932
- CSM-02: Built in Saigon July 1932
- CSM-03: Built in Saigon July 1932
- CSM-04: Built in Saigon July 1932
- CSM-05: Built in Saigon July 1932
- CSM-06: Built in Noumea July 1932
- CSM-07: Built in Noumea July 1932
- CSM-08: Built in Noumea July 1932
- CSM-09: Built in Noumea July 1932
- CSM-10: Built in Noumea July 1932
- CSM-11: Built in Saigon October 1932
- CSM-12: Built in Saigon October 1932
- CSM-13: Built in Saigon October 1932
- CSM-14: Built in Saigon October 1932
- CSM-15: Built in Saigon October 1932
- CSM-16: Built in Noumea October 1932
- CSM-17: Built in Noumea October 1932
- CSM-18: Built in Noumea October 1932
- CSM-19: Built in Noumea October 1932
- CSM-20: Built in Noumea October 1932


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[SIZE=3]100-ton Class, French Subchaser laid down 1933[/SIZE]

Displacement:
100 t light; 106 t standard; 116 t normal; 124 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
108.27 ft / 108.27 ft x 17.72 ft x 4.92 ft (normal load)
33.00 m / 33.00 m x 5.40 m x 1.50 m

Armament:
1 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm guns in single mounts, 12.87lbs / 5.84kg shells, 1933 Model
Dual purpose gun in deck mount
on centreline forward
2 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (1x2 guns), 1.95lbs / 0.89kg shells, 1933 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mount
on centreline aft
4 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns in single mounts, 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1933 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 18 lbs / 8 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 350

Armour:
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 0.79" / 20 mm - -

Machinery:
Diesel Internal combustion motors,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 896 shp / 669 Kw = 18.00 kts
Range 1,800nm at 12.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 17 tons

Complement:
16 - 22

Cost:
£0.043 million / $0.171 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 2 tons, 1.9 %
Armour: 1 tons, 1.0 %
- Belts: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 1 tons, 1.0 %
- Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0.0 %
Machinery: 26 tons, 22.5 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 59 tons, 51.3 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 16 tons, 13.8 %
Miscellaneous weights: 11 tons, 9.5 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
217 lbs / 99 Kg = 16.9 x 3.0 " / 75 mm shells or 0.3 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
Metacentric height 0.4 ft / 0.1 m
Roll period: 11.1 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 51 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.16
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.25

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.430
Length to Beam Ratio: 6.11 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 12.54 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 71 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 41
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 11.48 ft / 3.50 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 9.84 ft / 3.00 m
- Mid (50 %): 8.20 ft / 2.50 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 8.20 ft / 2.50 m
- Stern: 8.20 ft / 2.50 m
- Average freeboard: 8.91 ft / 2.72 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 100.9 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 127.8 %
Waterplane Area: 1,251 Square feet or 116 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 141 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 23 lbs/sq ft or 110 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.76
- Longitudinal: 12.53
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Breakdown of Miscellaneous Weights:
- 2 tons for ASDIC
- 9 tons for depth charge

Ships in Class:
- CSM-21: Built in Saigon Q1/1933
- CSM-22: Built in Saigon Q1/1933
- CSM-23: Built in Saigon Q1/1933
- CSM-24: Built in Saigon Q1/1933
- CSM-25: Built in Saigon Q1/1933
- CSM-26: Built in Saigon Q1/1933
- CSM-27: Built in Saigon Q1/1933
- CSM-28: Built in Saigon Q1/1933
- CSM-29: Built in Saigon Q1/1933
- CSM-30: Built in Saigon Q1/1933
- CSM-31: Built in Saigon Q2/1933
- CSM-32: Built in Saigon Q2/1933
- CSM-33: Built in Saigon Q2/1933
- CSM-34: Built in Saigon Q2/1933
- CSM-35: Built in Saigon Q2/1933
- CSM-36: Built in Saigon Q2/1933
- CSM-37: Built in Saigon Q2/1933
- CSM-38: Built in Saigon Q2/1933
- CSM-39: Built in Saigon Q2/1933
- CSM-40: Built in Saigon Q2/1933
- CSM-41: Built in Saigon Q3/1933
- CSM-42: Built in Saigon Q3/1933
- CSM-43: Built in Saigon Q3/1933
- CSM-44: Built in Saigon Q3/1933
- CSM-45: Built in Saigon Q3/1933
- CSM-46: Built in Saigon Q3/1933
- CSM-47: Built in Saigon Q3/1933
- CSM-48: Built in Saigon Q3/1933
- CSM-49: Built in Saigon Q3/1933
- CSM-50: Built in Saigon Q3/1933
- CSM-51: Built in Saigon Q4/1933
- CSM-52: Built in Saigon Q4/1933
- CSM-53: Built in Saigon Q4/1933
- CSM-54: Built in Saigon Q4/1933
- CSM-55: Built in Saigon Q4/1933
- CSM-56: Built in Saigon Q4/1933
- CSM-57: Built in Saigon Q4/1933
- CSM-58: Built in Saigon Q4/1933
- CSM-59: Built in Saigon Q4/1933
- CSM-60: Built in Saigon Q4/1933
- CSM-61: Built in Saigon Q1/1934
- CSM-62: Built in Saigon Q1/1934
- CSM-63: Built in Saigon Q1/1934
- CSM-64: Built in Saigon Q1/1934
- CSM-65: Built in Saigon Q1/1934
- CSM-66: Built in Saigon Q1/1934
- CSM-67: Built in Saigon Q1/1934
- CSM-68: Built in Saigon Q1/1934
- CSM-69: Built in Saigon Q1/1934
- CSM-70: Built in Saigon Q1/1934
- CSM-71: Built in Saigon Q2/1934
- CSM-72: Built in Saigon Q2/1934
- CSM-73: Built in Saigon Q2/1934
- CSM-74: Built in Saigon Q2/1934
- CSM-75: Built in Saigon Q2/1934
- CSM-76: Built in Saigon Q2/1934
- CSM-77: Built in Saigon Q2/1934
- CSM-78: Built in Saigon Q2/1934
- CSM-79: Built in Saigon Q2/1934
- CSM-80: Built in Saigon Q2/1934
- CSM-81: Built in Saigon Q3/1934
- CSM-82: Built in Saigon Q3/1934
- CSM-83: Built in Saigon Q3/1934
- CSM-84: Built in Saigon Q3/1934
- CSM-85: Built in Saigon Q3/1934
- CSM-86: Built in Saigon Q3/1934
- CSM-87: Built in Saigon Q3/1934
- CSM-88: Built in Saigon Q3/1934
- CSM-89: Built in Saigon Q3/1934
- CSM-90: Built in Saigon Q3/1934

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Tuesday, July 9th 2013, 6:38pm

Merry Christmas?

I wonder what the odds are on Perds missing something from the Bharati reports...

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Tuesday, July 9th 2013, 6:51pm

Quoted

Originally posted by The Rock Doctor
Merry Christmas?

I wonder what the odds are on Perds missing something from the Bharati reports...


Quick! Check under the bed!

I think that the odds are pretty good. When I sorted through the Philippine sim reports and compared them to the encyclopedia, I found two heavy cruisers!

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Tuesday, July 9th 2013, 7:15pm

RE: Some of my ships are missing

Quoted

I was looking to see if perchance there are any destroyers hiding under the bed, too... but alas, seems there aren't.

Must have been nicked by the Mexicans. :D

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Tuesday, July 9th 2013, 7:46pm

Quoted

Originally posted by BruceDuncan

Quoted

Originally posted by The Rock Doctor
Merry Christmas?

I wonder what the odds are on Perds missing something from the Bharati reports...


Quick! Check under the bed!

I think that the odds are pretty good. When I sorted through the Philippine sim reports and compared them to the encyclopedia, I found two heavy cruisers!


OMG a battleship!

Naw...nothing I didn't already know about.

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Tuesday, July 9th 2013, 7:49pm

I actually have a couple of BBs under my bed. :)

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Tuesday, July 9th 2013, 7:59pm

Since I've found more ships before in the French sim reports, I decided to go through all of them in detail - and it looks like, yes, there are more subchasers...

And some Polish destroyers? Huh...

Okay, further research and report underway...

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Tuesday, July 9th 2013, 8:25pm

I know Im going to find a few Italian ships. Just a given.
You smug-faced crowds with kindling eye
Who cheer when soldier lads march by,
Sneak home and pray you'll never know
The hell where youth and laughter go.
-Siegfried Sassoon

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Tuesday, July 9th 2013, 8:41pm

Okay... having gone through all of the French sim reports from the very beginning, here's what I've found. I'd previously found the Emilia-class patrol boats in the sim reports, so I probably should have done this research ages ago... meh, laziness...

- In Q1/27, we have two tankers converted. Sim is (sorta) located here (scroll down). They were completed through Q4/1927.
- In Q1/30 two Le Terrible-class destroyers were laid down for Poland... they never have appeared in the Polish encyclopedia. Perhaps because they were built before anyone played Poland...
- In the same Q1/30 report, fifteen 108-ton submarine chasers were laid down. Springsharp here - maybe this is the 108-ton design I couldn't find earlier, referenced above. Another fifteen ships built in Q2/30... and another fifteen in Q3/30... total of sixty vessels. At a guess, these were the design used for the 1933 ships I referenced above, bringing the final quantity to eighty ships.

And to think this all started because I was looking to see what ships the French had built in Saigon in the past.

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Wednesday, July 10th 2013, 2:16am

The bad thing is now that you know you have ~150 100/108t subchasers, those new ones you retroactively laid down due to the Chosen-China war aren't really needed.

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Wednesday, July 10th 2013, 2:19am

Quoted

I was looking to see if perchance there are any destroyers hiding under the bed, too... but alas, seems there aren't.

Must have been nicked by the Mexicans.

Hehehe... *rubbing hands together*

This post has been edited 1 times, last edit by "Desertfox" (Jul 10th 2013, 2:20am)


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Wednesday, July 10th 2013, 2:58am

Quoted

Originally posted by Sachmle
The bad thing is now that you know you have ~150 100/108t subchasers, those new ones you retroactively laid down due to the Chosen-China war aren't really needed.

Yeah, I thought that, too. I'm considering whether or not to recant that...

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Wednesday, July 10th 2013, 9:56am

Finding extra ships is always a bonus. I found a few RN ships myself, including eight heavy destroyers!

I would agree that that subchaser sim is probably the 180 ton design. I still think you would want to build the new subchasers, the oldest ones are 14 years old now and probably nearing the end of their lifespan.

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Tuesday, August 20th 2013, 12:40pm

Wandered by (not about since 2010) to see Greece a shadow of its former self - all the carriers sold? Must be to pay debts.

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Tuesday, August 20th 2013, 3:57pm

Great to see you lurking again alt naval.

There are still three carriers in Greek service.

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Tuesday, August 20th 2013, 10:32pm

Quoted

Originally posted by alt_naval
Wandered by (not about since 2010) to see Greece a shadow of its former self - all the carriers sold? Must be to pay debts.


Land based air power in the Med makes operating aircraft carriers a risky proposition. Without any holding or interests outside the Med, it was seen as an expensive hobby. Tonnage that could be spent on mine warfare vessels and fleet support ships would have been tied up in modernization and upkeep. Three were sold to Brazil, who has much more open waters to operate in and a reasonably likelihood of using them at some point. With so much peace in Europe, and not enough space to operate they were white elephants.

Now, on a side note, would you happen to have sims for the "Special Transports"?