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Originally posted by BruceDuncan
Are the 152mm guns dual purpose or the standard sort? I'd infer from the sim that they are the latter, in which case eight 57mm seems a poor secondary battery, depending upon intended mission.

As scout or trade protection cruisers not expected to duel with ships of equal force, I can see the light secondary outfit; if meant to screen task forces, it seems thin.

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Originally posted by Brockpaine
Combined with my general strong preference for 8" gunned cruisers...

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[SIZE=3]Redoubtable class, French Heavy Cruiser laid down 1943[/SIZE]
The two Redoubtable class heavy cruisers draw their existence from their immediate 20cm-gunned predecessor, the much larger Téméraire class. In 1940, the Marine Nationale ordered two examples of the class, complete with eight brand-new 200mm/L55 triple turrets, as well as eight barrels intended for installation as coast-defense batteries. Unfortunately, the second ship in the Téméraire class, with the proposed name of Sans Souci, was delayed until 1941 and then cancelled, leaving four completed triple turrets awaiting installation.

The Direction des constructions navales proposed several alternatives for a less-expensive 12x200mm-armed cruiser intended to use the spare turrets, but the French Naval Staff requested at least two ships in the class in order to justify design expenses. After several six-gun cruisers were rejected, DCN offered a novel compromise. Two cruisers would be laid down each carrying two of the triple 200mm/L55 turrets manufactured for the Sans Souci. The eight guns intended for coast defense batteries would be placed in twin turrets manufactured using parts from the 200mm twin turrets of the heavy cruiser Suffren (convered to an aircraft carrier in 1940) as well as the standard 152mm triple turrets. These twin turrets would superfire over the triples.

The two cruisers, laid down in 1943, were substantially less expensive than the Téméraire and Jean Bart class ships that immediately preceded them, being introduced under a period of fiscal restraint.

Displacement:
14,275 t light; 14,996 t standard; 17,726 t normal; 19,910 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
711.94 ft / 711.94 ft x 69.88 ft (Bulges 71.19 ft) x 23.79 ft (normal load)
217.00 m / 217.00 m x 21.30 m (Bulges 21.70 m) x 7.25 m

Armament:
6 - 7.87" / 200 mm guns (2x3 guns), 286.60lbs / 130.00kg shells, 1940 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread
4 - 7.87" / 200 mm guns (2x2 guns), 286.60lbs / 130.00kg shells, 1940 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts
12 - 3.94" / 100 mm guns (6x2 guns), 35.27lbs / 16.00kg shells, 1943 Model
Automatic rapid fire guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, evenly spread
12 - 2.24" / 57.0 mm guns (6x2 guns), 6.61lbs / 3.00kg shells, 1943 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
12 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns (6x2 guns), 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1943 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 3,371 lbs / 1,529 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 180

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 5.12" / 130 mm 393.70 ft / 120.00 m 10.50 ft / 3.20 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 85 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 8.27" / 210 mm 3.54" / 90 mm 4.72" / 120 mm
2nd: 8.27" / 210 mm 3.54" / 90 mm 4.72" / 120 mm
3rd: 0.98" / 25 mm 0.20" / 5 mm 0.20" / 5 mm
4th: 0.98" / 25 mm 0.20" / 5 mm 0.20" / 5 mm

- Armour deck: 2.56" / 65 mm, Conning tower: 5.91" / 150 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines plus diesel motors,
Electric motors, 4 shafts, 125,214 shp / 93,410 Kw = 34.00 kts
Range 12,000nm at 18.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 4,914 tons

Complement:
767 - 998

Cost:
£8.262 million / $33.047 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 369 tons, 2.1 %
Armour: 3,326 tons, 18.8 %
- Belts: 902 tons, 5.1 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 683 tons, 3.9 %
- Armour Deck: 1,655 tons, 9.3 %
- Conning Tower: 86 tons, 0.5 %
Machinery: 3,234 tons, 18.2 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 6,971 tons, 39.3 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3,451 tons, 19.5 %
Miscellaneous weights: 375 tons, 2.1 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
26,117 lbs / 11,847 Kg = 107.0 x 7.9 " / 200 mm shells or 2.6 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.14
Metacentric height 3.8 ft / 1.1 m
Roll period: 15.4 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 60 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.50
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.13

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.515
Length to Beam Ratio: 10.00 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 30.40 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 53
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 32.81 ft / 10.00 m
- Forecastle (25 %): 26.25 ft / 8.00 m
- Mid (50 %): 19.69 ft / 6.00 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 19.69 ft / 6.00 m
- Stern: 20.51 ft / 6.25 m
- Average freeboard: 22.86 ft / 6.97 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 79.0 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 182.7 %
Waterplane Area: 34,948 Square feet or 3,247 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 135 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 128 lbs/sq ft or 623 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.97
- Longitudinal: 1.28
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

Breakdown of Miscellaneous Weights:
- 100 tons for 4x LeO-400 seaplanes
- 15 tons for catapult and crane
- 50 tons for crew comforts (air conditioning, movie theatre, and ice cream machine)
- 110 tons for Electronics Suite
- 25 tons for electronic fire-control on 200mm, 100mm, and 40mm guns
- 50 tons for communications
- 5 tons for forward Voith-Schneider maneuvering system
- 20 tons for extra damage-control gear, pumps, etc
Total extra weight: 375 tons

Ships in Class:
- Redoubtable
- Renommée

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Originally posted by Brockpaine

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Originally posted by BruceDuncan
Are the 152mm guns dual purpose or the standard sort? I'd infer from the sim that they are the latter, in which case eight 57mm seems a poor secondary battery, depending upon intended mission.

As scout or trade protection cruisers not expected to duel with ships of equal force, I can see the light secondary outfit; if meant to screen task forces, it seems thin.

Mm, I suppose you're right, at that...

To be honest, with the various 150mm automatics being fielded or developed at the moment, I feel a bit of apathy about building more light cruisers at all, particularly in the 6" gun range. Combined with my general strong preference for 8" gunned cruisers, and the lack of a French 6" auto equivalent, I'm almost wondering if I might be better off downsizing even these ships and building 130mm-armed CLAAs.

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[SIZE=3]Implacable-class, French Anti-aircraft Cruiser laid down 1944[/SIZE]

Displacement:
3,750 t light; 4,065 t standard; 4,843 t normal; 5,465 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
542.93 ft / 524.93 ft x 49.21 ft x 16.40 ft (normal load)
165.48 m / 160.00 m x 15.00 m x 5.00 m

Armament:
8 - 5.12" / 130 mm guns (4x2 guns), 79.37lbs / 36.00kg shells, 1944 Model
Automatic rapid fire guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
8 - 2.24" / 57.0 mm guns (4x2 guns), 6.61lbs / 3.00kg shells, 1944 Model
Automatic rapid fire guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline, all aft, all raised mounts - superfiring
8 - 0.59" / 15.0 mm guns (4x2 guns), 0.10lbs / 0.05kg shells, 1944 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 689 lbs / 312 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 550
12 - 21.7" / 550 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 1.18" / 30 mm 0.79" / 20 mm 0.79" / 20 mm
2nd: 0.59" / 15 mm 0.20" / 5 mm 0.20" / 5 mm
3rd: 0.39" / 10 mm - -

- Conning tower: 3.15" / 80 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines plus diesel motors,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 58,695 shp / 43,786 Kw = 34.00 kts
Range 7,500nm at 18.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1,400 tons

Complement:
289 - 377

Cost:
£2.788 million / $11.153 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 87 tons, 1.8 %
Armour: 50 tons, 1.0 %
- Belts: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 31 tons, 0.6 %
- Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Conning Tower: 19 tons, 0.4 %
Machinery: 1,499 tons, 30.9 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,954 tons, 40.3 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,093 tons, 22.6 %
Miscellaneous weights: 160 tons, 3.3 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
4,004 lbs / 1,816 Kg = 59.7 x 5.1 " / 130 mm shells or 0.9 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.19
Metacentric height 2.4 ft / 0.7 m
Roll period: 13.4 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 80 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.49
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.41

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.400
Length to Beam Ratio: 10.67 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 26.36 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 57 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 57
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 30.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 31.17 ft / 9.50 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 22.97 ft / 7.00 m
- Mid (50 %): 22.97 ft / 7.00 m (14.76 ft / 4.50 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 14.76 ft / 4.50 m
- Stern: 14.76 ft / 4.50 m
- Average freeboard: 19.52 ft / 5.95 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 121.5 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 133.1 %
Waterplane Area: 16,503 Square feet or 1,533 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 124 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 66 lbs/sq ft or 324 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.73
- Longitudinal: 1.81
- Overall: 0.80
Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

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Originally posted by BruceDuncan
Overall, the design doesn't look too bad. The block coefficient is within limits, though it does look a bit knife-edge to me, and I am not certain what to make of the caution remark. It's within the Gent's Rules for a small fast combatant, and would certainly thicken the AA defenses of the fleet.

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Originally posted by Brockpaine

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Originally posted by BruceDuncan
Overall, the design doesn't look too bad. The block coefficient is within limits, though it does look a bit knife-edge to me, and I am not certain what to make of the caution remark. It's within the Gent's Rules for a small fast combatant, and would certainly thicken the AA defenses of the fleet.

Now the concern I have, though, is why I'd build a 3750-ton "light cruiser" when I'm building 2,500-ton Forbin-class destroyers - which have one less 130mm twin and one less 57mm AA gun. Three Forbins, at 7,500t, have more firepower (18x130mm, 18x57mm) than two of these CLAAs at 7500t (16x130mm + 16x57mm).

Three DDs and more guns, or two CLAAs? Um, easy choice - I'll go for the DDs.

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Originally posted by BruceDuncan
Quite so. The only reason for the larger hull would be if the electronics fit demanded it, and I do not think things have reached that stage yet.

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[SIZE=3]Brennus, French Coastal Gunboat laid down 1943[/SIZE]

Displacement:
1,339 t light; 1,403 t standard; 1,515 t normal; 1,604 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
232.61 ft / 229.66 ft x 42.65 ft x 9.84 ft (normal load)
70.90 m / 70.00 m x 13.00 m x 3.00 m

Armament:
2 - 7.87" / 200 mm guns in single mounts, 286.60lbs / 130.00kg shells, 1943 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread
4 - 2.24" / 57.0 mm guns (2x2 guns), 6.61lbs / 3.00kg shells, 1943 Model
Automatic rapid fire guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, all amidships
8 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns (4x2 guns), 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1943 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 602 lbs / 273 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 100

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 3.94" / 100 mm 137.80 ft / 42.00 m 7.87 ft / 2.40 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 92 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 3.94" / 100 mm 1.57" / 40 mm 1.57" / 40 mm
2nd: 0.59" / 15 mm 0.20" / 5 mm 0.20" / 5 mm
3rd: 0.20" / 5 mm - -

- Armour deck: 1.57" / 40 mm, Conning tower: 3.94" / 100 mm

Machinery:
Diesel Internal combustion motors,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 2,077 shp / 1,550 Kw = 15.00 kts
Range 2,500nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 201 tons

Complement:
120 - 157

Cost:
£0.711 million / $2.845 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 65 tons, 4.3 %
Armour: 454 tons, 30.0 %
- Belts: 194 tons, 12.8 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 50 tons, 3.3 %
- Armour Deck: 199 tons, 13.1 %
- Conning Tower: 11 tons, 0.7 %
Machinery: 54 tons, 3.5 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 691 tons, 45.6 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 176 tons, 11.6 %
Miscellaneous weights: 75 tons, 5.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
4,151 lbs / 1,883 Kg = 17.0 x 7.9 " / 200 mm shells or 1.8 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.25
Metacentric height 2.1 ft / 0.6 m
Roll period: 12.4 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.45
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.76

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak
Block coefficient: 0.550
Length to Beam Ratio: 5.38 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 15.15 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 49 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 40
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 16.73 ft / 5.10 m
- Forecastle (25 %): 16.08 ft / 4.90 m
- Mid (50 %): 15.42 ft / 4.70 m (8.20 ft / 2.50 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 8.20 ft / 2.50 m
- Stern: 8.20 ft / 2.50 m
- Average freeboard: 12.12 ft / 3.70 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 50.2 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 123.1 %
Waterplane Area: 6,836 Square feet or 635 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 131 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 72 lbs/sq ft or 349 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.90
- Longitudinal: 3.30
- Overall: 1.03
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

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[SIZE=3]Gaulouis, French Coastal Gunboat laid down 1943[/SIZE]

Displacement:
1,360 t light; 1,403 t standard; 1,515 t normal; 1,604 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
232.61 ft / 229.66 ft x 42.65 ft x 9.84 ft (normal load)
70.90 m / 70.00 m x 13.00 m x 3.00 m

Armament:
2 - 6.10" / 155 mm guns in single mounts, 94.80lbs / 43.00kg shells, 1943 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread
4 - 2.24" / 57.0 mm guns (2x2 guns), 6.61lbs / 3.00kg shells, 1943 Model
Automatic rapid fire guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, all amidships
8 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns (4x2 guns), 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1943 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 218 lbs / 99 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 250

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 4.72" / 120 mm 137.80 ft / 42.00 m 7.87 ft / 2.40 m
Ends: 0.79" / 20 mm 88.58 ft / 27.00 m 7.87 ft / 2.40 m
3.28 ft / 1.00 m Unarmoured ends
Upper: 1.18" / 30 mm 137.80 ft / 42.00 m 8.01 ft / 2.44 m
Main Belt covers 92 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead:
1.18" / 30 mm 137.80 ft / 42.00 m 9.02 ft / 2.75 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 3.94" / 100 mm 1.57" / 40 mm 1.57" / 40 mm
2nd: 0.59" / 15 mm 0.20" / 5 mm 0.20" / 5 mm
3rd: 0.20" / 5 mm - -

- Armour deck: 1.57" / 40 mm, Conning tower: 3.94" / 100 mm

Machinery:
Diesel Internal combustion motors,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 2,077 shp / 1,550 Kw = 15.00 kts
Range 2,500nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 201 tons

Complement:
120 - 157

Cost:
£0.537 million / $2.148 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 32 tons, 2.1 %
Armour: 614 tons, 40.5 %
- Belts: 312 tons, 20.6 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 54 tons, 3.6 %
- Armament: 37 tons, 2.5 %
- Armour Deck: 199 tons, 13.1 %
- Conning Tower: 11 tons, 0.7 %
Machinery: 54 tons, 3.5 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 585 tons, 38.6 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 155 tons, 10.2 %
Miscellaneous weights: 75 tons, 5.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
6,256 lbs / 2,838 Kg = 55.1 x 6.1 " / 155 mm shells or 3.2 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.30
Metacentric height 2.2 ft / 0.7 m
Roll period: 12.0 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.16
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.76

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak
Block coefficient: 0.550
Length to Beam Ratio: 5.38 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 15.15 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 49 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 40
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 16.73 ft / 5.10 m
- Forecastle (25 %): 16.08 ft / 4.90 m
- Mid (50 %): 15.42 ft / 4.70 m (8.20 ft / 2.50 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 8.20 ft / 2.50 m
- Stern: 8.20 ft / 2.50 m
- Average freeboard: 12.12 ft / 3.70 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 64.0 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 123.1 %
Waterplane Area: 6,836 Square feet or 635 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 144 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 61 lbs/sq ft or 296 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.97
- Longitudinal: 2.73
- Overall: 1.08
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

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[SIZE=3]Nouvelle-Calédonie, French Heavy Cruiser laid down 1932 (Engine 1943)[/SIZE]

Displacement:
11,468 t light; 11,944 t standard; 14,281 t normal; 16,150 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
675.21 ft / 662.73 ft x 57.41 ft (Bulges 66.27 ft) x 23.13 ft (normal load)
205.80 m / 202.00 m x 17.50 m (Bulges 20.20 m) x 7.05 m

Armament:
8 - 7.87" / 200 mm guns (4x2 guns), 286.60lbs / 130.00kg shells, 1943 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
8 - 3.94" / 100 mm guns (4x2 guns), 35.27lbs / 16.00kg shells, 1943 Model
Automatic rapid fire guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, evenly spread
2 - 2.24" / 57.0 mm guns (1x2 guns), 6.61lbs / 3.00kg shells, 1943 Model
Automatic rapid fire guns in a deck mount with hoist
on centreline aft, all raised guns - superfiring
8 - 2.24" / 57.0 mm guns (4x2 guns), 6.61lbs / 3.00kg shells, 1943 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
6 - 0.50" / 12.7 mm guns in single mounts, 0.06lbs / 0.03kg shells, 1932 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 2,641 lbs / 1,198 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 125
6 - 21.7" / 550 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 5.12" / 130 mm 384.84 ft / 117.30 m 9.19 ft / 2.80 m
Ends: 0.98" / 25 mm 251.61 ft / 76.69 m 9.19 ft / 2.80 m
26.28 ft / 8.01 m Unarmoured ends
Upper: 0.98" / 25 mm 65.62 ft / 20.00 m 9.84 ft / 3.00 m
Main Belt covers 89 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 5.91" / 150 mm 3.15" / 80 mm 4.72" / 120 mm
2nd: 0.98" / 25 mm 0.39" / 10 mm 0.39" / 10 mm
3rd: 0.59" / 15 mm 0.20" / 5 mm 0.20" / 5 mm
4th: 0.59" / 15 mm 0.20" / 5 mm 0.20" / 5 mm

- Armour deck: 1.97" / 50 mm, Conning tower: 5.12" / 130 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 110,973 shp / 82,786 Kw = 34.00 kts
Range 11,750nm at 18.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 4,205 tons

Complement:
653 - 849

Cost:
£4.748 million / $18.993 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 288 tons, 2.0 %
Armour: 2,462 tons, 17.2 %
- Belts: 883 tons, 6.2 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 561 tons, 3.9 %
- Armour Deck: 953 tons, 6.7 %
- Conning Tower: 65 tons, 0.5 %
Machinery: 2,866 tons, 20.1 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 5,577 tons, 39.1 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,812 tons, 19.7 %
Miscellaneous weights: 275 tons, 1.9 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
18,450 lbs / 8,369 Kg = 75.6 x 7.9 " / 200 mm shells or 2.2 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.11
Metacentric height 2.7 ft / 0.8 m
Roll period: 17.1 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.56
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.28

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.492
Length to Beam Ratio: 10.00 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 29.41 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 56 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 55
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 20.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 34.28 ft / 10.45 m
- Forecastle (25 %): 31.00 ft / 9.45 m
- Mid (50 %): 24.44 ft / 7.45 m (14.60 ft / 4.45 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 14.60 ft / 4.45 m
- Stern: 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
- Average freeboard: 22.45 ft / 6.84 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 83.4 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 135.5 %
Waterplane Area: 26,169 Square feet or 2,431 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 133 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 115 lbs/sq ft or 561 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.95
- Longitudinal: 1.61
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

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Originally posted by Brockpaine
Bit of a silly little idea; a coastal gunboat with 20cm guns intended for use as a coast bombardment vessel.

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Originally posted by Kaiser Kirk
On the 8" cruiser front- I'm aware of the preference, and I have a soft spot for 3-2 2-3 designs, but waaaay back in the 1936ish Defense review I did, I came to the conclusion folks would stop building them, as the Clieto cruisers were already armored against them, I really thought you'd see more 9-10" ships for quick smashing power at maximum engagement ranges. So I'm curious why the French persist with them ?

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Originally posted by Sachmle
I actually have a spreadsheet w/ all "light cruisers" except the RN (just haven't added them yet..so damn many) by class. The heaviest belt armor is on the Nordmark Ve class at 6". The heaviest deck is 2.5" on the Greek Eurybiades and Nordmark Luleå classes. The average tonnage is 6,721t std.

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If the French are faced with a 9-10" gunned ship, I have either carrier aircraft or the Dunkerques, which can put down an ACR like a truck running over a wayward puppy.

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Originally posted by Brockpaine

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Originally posted by Sachmle
I actually have a spreadsheet w/ all "light cruisers" except the RN (just haven't added them yet..so damn many) by class. The heaviest belt armor is on the Nordmark Ve class at 6". The heaviest deck is 2.5" on the Greek Eurybiades and Nordmark Luleå classes. The average tonnage is 6,721t std.

Hum! That's even lower than I'd have guessed just from looking about at things. What parameters did you use to define "light cruiser", if I might ask?