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Sunday, February 20th 2011, 2:08am

French Aircraft

Although I'm still sorting through a number of French aircraft at the moment deciding what to build and what not to build, I decided to go ahead and post these here (as I'm already confident they will enter production).

Dates are not yet set, but the Languedoc probably enters production sometime in 1938, while the Colmar probably enters production in 1940 or 1941.


[SIZE=4]Breguet Br.500 Colmar[/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]General characteristics[/SIZE]
Capacity: 23
Length: 19.95 m (65 ft 5 in)
Wingspan: 24.10 m (79 ft 1 in)
Height: 4.80 m (15 ft 9 in)
Wing area: 66.70 m2 (718.0 sq ft)
Max takeoff weight: 14,380 kg (31,702 lb)
Powerplant: 2 × Gnome-Rhône 15R.5 radial piston engine, 1,200 kW (1,600 hp) each

[SIZE=3]Performance[/SIZE]
Maximum speed 460 km/h (285.8 mph)
Cruising speed: 400 km/h (250 mph; 220 kn) approx
Range: 2,000 km (1,243 mi; 1,080 nmi)
Service ceiling: 12,000 m (39,370 ft)

[SIZE=3]Notes[/SIZE]
The Colmar has a pressurized cabin for high-altitude cruising. The cabin is partially divided, with six passengers in the forward cabin and seventeen passengers in the rearward cabin.

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[SIZE=4]Bloch MB.161 Languedoc[/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]General characteristics[/SIZE]
Crew: 5
Capacity: 33
Length: 24.26 m (79 ft 7 in)
Wingspan: 29.39 m (96 ft 5 in)
Height: 5.14 m (16 ft 10 in)
Wing area: 111.32 m² (1198 ft²)
Empty weight: 12651 kg (27891 lb)
Gross weight: 20577 kg (45320 lb)
Powerplant: 4 × Gnome-Rhône 14N 44/45 radial engines, 1150 kW (858 hp) each

[SIZE=3]Performance[/SIZE]
Maximum speed: 440 km/h (274 mph)
Range: 3200 km (1989 miles)
Service ceiling: 7200 m (23616 ft)

[SIZE=3]Notes[/SIZE]
An airliner version of the Bloch MB.160 four-engine bomber. The Languedoc has a few faults which will be addressed with an upgraded variant sometime in the future.

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Sunday, February 20th 2011, 9:39pm

Just doodling and came up with this.

"Although the Arsenal VB.10 introduced the tandem twin-engine and contra-rotating prop, popular opinion seems to be that it's a dog for air combat and probably a beast to maintain. So Arsenal went back to the drawing board to make a single-engined version..."



- VB.201 is just a VB.10 with a reworked single-engine layout.
- VB.202 has the radiator moved forward onto the nose, and is shortened and tightened up. The wing is also moved forward.
- VB.203 has a smaller nose radiator and slimmer belly lines aft of the wing.
- VB.204 returns to the belly radiator, which I don't like.

Edited to add: this is just a doodle at present, but there's a possibility I might make it. Don't know yet.

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Monday, February 21st 2011, 1:41am


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Monday, February 21st 2011, 4:37am

[SIZE=4]Bloch MB.157[/SIZE]
Historical (claimed) specs; production version will probably be slower.
[SIZE=3]General characteristics[/SIZE]
Wingspan: 35.1 feet (10.70 m)
Length: 30 feet (9.15 m)
Height: 14.1 feet (4.30 m)
Wing Area: 208.8 feet² (19.40m²)
Empty weight: 5,269 pounds (2,390 kg)
Max Takeoff Weight: 7,165 pounds (3250 kg)
Engine: 1 × Gnome-Rhone 14R (1580 hp) with compressor supercharger
Crew: 1 pilot
Armour:

[SIZE=3]Performance[/SIZE]
Max speed: 435 mph @ 25 754 feet (710 kph @ 7850 m)
Cruising speed: 248 mph (400 kph)
Range: 683.5 miles (1100 km)
Service ceiling: 10,000 m
Rate of climb: 11 minutes to 26,250 feet

[SIZE=3]Armament[/SIZE]
- 2 × Hispano- Suiza HS-404 20 mm gun with 60 rounds per gun
- 4 × machinegun MAC 1934 M39 7.5 mm gun with 300 rounds per gun

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Monday, February 21st 2011, 8:26pm

As I understand it the 710 Km/h was achieved during test flights without armament and armor

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Monday, February 21st 2011, 8:44pm

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Originally posted by Vukovlad
As I understand it the 710 Km/h was achieved during test flights without armament and armor

I believe that's correct, which is why I noted the production version would likely be slower. I'm kinda undecided about whether or not I'll spend much time building the MB.157, though; it's not one of my favorites. (I like the VG.39, but the VG.39 seems to be at the upper end of that type's development line.)

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Monday, February 21st 2011, 8:49pm

I like both the MB-157 and the VG.39 and lets not forget the D.520Z and D.551

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Tuesday, February 22nd 2011, 1:44am

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Originally posted by Brockpaine
I'm kinda undecided about whether or not I'll spend much time building the MB.157, though; it's not one of my favorites.

Ripon would however so hopefully Bloch is still working on the design.

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Tuesday, February 22nd 2011, 4:15am

The historical kites, and some near-derivatives.

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[SIZE=4]Morane-Saulnier MS.406[/SIZE]
[SIZE=1]OTL specs, aircraft introduced in 1932[/SIZE]

[SIZE=3]General characteristics[/SIZE]
Crew: one pilot
Length: 8.17 m (26 ft 9 in)
Wingspan: 10.62 m (34 ft 10 in)
Height: 2.71 m (8 ft 10 in)
Wing area: 17.10 m² (184.06 ft²)
Empty weight: 1,893 kg (4,173 lb)
Loaded weight: 2,426 kg (5,348 lb)
Powerplant: 1× Hispano-Suiza 12Y31 liquid-cooled V-12, 640 kW (860 hp)

[SIZE=3]Performance[/SIZE]
Maximum speed: 486 km/h (303 mph) at 5,000 m (16,400 ft)
Range: 1,000 km (620 mi)
Rate of climb: 13.0 m/s (2,560 ft/min)
Wing loading: 141.9 kg/m² (29.1 lb/ft²)
Power/mass: 260 W/kg (0.16 hp/lb)

[SIZE=3]Armament[/SIZE]
- 1 × 20 mm Hispano-Suiza HS.404 cannon
- 2 × 7.5 mm MAC 1934 machine guns

[SIZE=4]Morane-Saulnier MS.410[/SIZE]
[SIZE=1]Aircraft introduced in 1934[/SIZE]

[SIZE=3]General characteristics[/SIZE]
Crew: one pilot
Length: 8.17 m (26 ft 9 in)
Wingspan: 10.62 m (35 ft 10 in)
Height: 2.71 m (8 ft 10 in)
Wing area: 17.10 m² (184.06 ft²)
Empty weight: 1923 kg (4240 lb)
Loaded weight: 2581 kg (5690 lb)
Powerplant: 1× Hispano-Suiza 12Y31 liquid-cooled V-12, 640 kW (860 hp)

[SIZE=3]Performance[/SIZE]
Maximum speed: 316 mph (509 km/h)
Range: 1,100 km (683.5 mi)
Rate of climb: 13.0 m/s (2,560 ft/min)
Wing loading: 141.9 kg/m² (29.1 lb/ft²)
Power/mass: 260 W/kg (0.16 hp/lb)

[SIZE=3]Armament[/SIZE]
- 1 × 20 mm Hispano-Suiza HS.404 cannon
- 4 × 7.5 mm MAC 1934 machine guns


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[SIZE=4] Bloch MB.152C.1[/SIZE]
[SIZE=1]OTL Specs, entered service in 1935[/SIZE]

[SIZE=3]General characteristics[/SIZE]
Crew: one, pilot
Length: 9.10 m (29 ft 10 in)
Wingspan: 10.54 m (34 ft 7 in)
Height: 3.20 m (9 ft 11 in)
Wing area: 17.32 m² (186 ft²)
Empty weight: 2,158 kg (4,758 lb)
Loaded weight: 2,693 kg (5,937 lb)
Max takeoff weight: 2,800 kg (6,173 lb)
Powerplant: 1× Gnome-Rhône 14N-25 14-cylinder, two-row, air-cooled radial engine, 757 kW (1,030 hp)

[SIZE=3]Performance[/SIZE]
Maximum speed: 515 km/h (274 kn, 315 mph)
Range: 600 km (324 nmi, 373 mi)
Service ceiling: 10,000 m (32,810 ft)
Rate of climb: 590 m/min (1,935 ft/min)
Wing loading: 155.4 kg/m² (31.9 lb/ft²)
Power/mass: 0.29 kW/kg (0.17 hp/lb)

[SIZE=3]Armament[/SIZE]
- 2× 20 mm Hispano 404 cannons (60-round drum) and 2× 7.5 mm MAC 1934 machine guns with 675 rpg or
- 4× MAC 1934s


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[SIZE=4]Dewoitine D.520C.1[/SIZE]
[SIZE=1]OTL Aircraft, introduced 1935[/SIZE]

[SIZE=3]General characteristics[/SIZE]
Crew: 1
Length: 8.6 m (28 ft 3 in)
Wingspan: 10.2 m (33 ft 5S in)
Height: 2.57 m (8 ft 5 in)
Wing area: 15.87 m² (171 ft²)
Empty weight: 2,123 kg (4,680 lb)
Loaded weight: 2,677 kg (5,902 lb)
Max takeoff weight: 2,785 kg (6,140 lb)
Powerplant: 1× Hispano-Suiza 12Y-45 liquid-cooled V12 engine, 690 kW (930 hp)

[SIZE=3]Performance[/SIZE]
Maximum speed: 535 km/h (302 kn, 332 mph at 18,040 feet, 263.9 mph at sealevel)
Range: 1,250 km (675 nmi, 777 mi)
Service ceiling: 10,000 m (33,000 ft)
Rate of climb: 14.3 m/s (2,820 ft/min)
Wing loading: 167 kg/m² (34.2 lb/ft²)
Power/mass: 257 W/kg (0.156 hp/lb)

[SIZE=3]Armament[/SIZE]
- 1 × 20 mm Hispano-Suiza HS.404 (60-round drum) cannon
- 4 × 7.5 mm (0.295 in) MAC 1934 (675 rpg) machine guns



[SIZE=4]Dewoitine D.524C.1[/SIZE]
[SIZE=1]Improved D.520, introduced 1937[/SIZE]

[SIZE=3]General characteristics[/SIZE]
Crew: 1
Length: 8.6 m (28 ft 3 in)
Wingspan: 10.2 m (33 ft 5S in)
Height: 2.57 m (8 ft 5 in)
Wing area: 15.87 m² (171 ft²)
Empty weight: 2,123 kg (4,680 lb)
Loaded weight: 2,677 kg (5,902 lb)
Max takeoff weight: 2,785 kg (6,140 lb)
Powerplant: 1× HS 12Y89ter liquid-cooled V12 engine, 1,280hp

[SIZE=3]Performance[/SIZE]
Maximum speed: 560 km/h (302 kn, 347 mph)
Range: 1,250 km (675 nmi, 777 mi)
Service ceiling: 10,000 m (33,000 ft)
Rate of climb: 14.3 m/s (2,820 ft/min)
Wing loading: 167 kg/m² (34.2 lb/ft²)
Power/mass: 257 W/kg (0.156 hp/lb)

[SIZE=3]Armament[/SIZE]
- 1 × 20 mm Hispano-Suiza HS.404 (60-round drum) cannon
- 4 × 7.5 mm (0.295 in) MAC 1934 (675 rpg) machine guns

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Tuesday, February 22nd 2011, 5:53am

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[SIZE=4]Arsenal VG.33[/SIZE]
[SIZE=1]OTL specs, aircraft introduced in 1937[/SIZE]

[SIZE=3]General characteristics[/SIZE]
Crew: one, pilot
Length: 8.55 m (28 ft 0 in)
Wingspan: 10.8 m (35 ft 3 in)
Height: 3.31 m (10 ft 10 in)
Wing area: 150.7 m² (14 ft²)
Empty weight: 2,050 kg (4,519 lb)
Loaded weight: 2,655 kg (5,853 lb)
Powerplant: 1× Hispano-Suiza 12Y31 supercharged liquid-cooled 60° V12 engine, 641 kW (860 hp)

[SIZE=3]Performance[/SIZE]
Maximum speed: 558 km/h (301 knots, 347 mph)
Range: 1,200 km (648 nm, 720 mi)
Service ceiling: 11,000 m (36,090 ft)

[SIZE=3]Armament[/SIZE]
1 × 20 mm Hispano-Suiza HS.404 cannon
4 × 7.5 mm MAC 1934 machine guns


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[SIZE=4]Arsenal VG.36[/SIZE]
[SIZE=1]Aircraft introduced in 1939[/SIZE]

[SIZE=3]General characteristics[/SIZE]
Crew: one, pilot
Length: 8.55 m (28 ft 0 in)
Wingspan: 10.80 m (35 ft 5 in)
Height: 3.31 m (10 ft 10 in)
Wing area: 150.7 m² (14 ft²)
Empty weight: 2,050 kg (4,519 lb)
Loaded weight: 2,655 kg (5,853 lb)
Powerplant: 1 × Hispano-Suiza 12Y-51 supercharged liquid-cooled 60° V12 engine, (1000 hp)

[SIZE=3]Performance[/SIZE]
Maximum speed: 575 km/h (357 mph)
Range: 1,100 km (684 mi)
Service ceiling: 11,000 m (36,090 ft)

[SIZE=3]Armament[/SIZE]
1 × 20 mm Hispano-Suiza HS.404 cannon
4 × 7.5 mm MAC 1934 machine guns

[SIZE=3]Notes:[/SIZE]
- Longer-ranged variant (VG.37) also constructed; 100 license-built by Potez.


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[SIZE=4]Arsenal VG.39bis[/SIZE]
[SIZE=1]Aircraft introduced in 1940[/SIZE]

[SIZE=3]General characteristics[/SIZE]
Crew: one, pilot
Length: 8.75 m (29 ft 8 in)
Wingspan: 10.80 m (35 ft 5 in)
Height: 3.31 m (10 ft 10 in)
Wing area: 150.7 m² (14 ft²)
Empty weight: 2,050 kg (4,519 lb)
Loaded weight: 2,655 kg (5,853 lb)
Powerplant: 1 × Hispano-Suiza 12Z supercharged liquid-cooled 60° V12 engine, (1500 hp)

[SIZE=3]Performance[/SIZE]
Maximum speed: 625 km/h (388 mph)
Range: ?
Service ceiling: 11,000 m (36,090 ft)

[SIZE=3]Armament[/SIZE]
6 × 7.5 mm MAC 1934 machine guns

[SIZE=3]Notes[/SIZE]
The VG.39bis is the production version of the VG.39. The VG.39bis allegedly had a 1,600hp Hispano-Suiza 12Z engine with 1,600hp. The initial VG.39 had a HS-12Y89ter engine with 1,280hp and allegedly achieved the above performance figures.

Starting in 1941, all new VG.39bis are produced with a bubble canopy.

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Wednesday, February 23rd 2011, 4:51pm

The French have arranged to license-build some aircraft:

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[SIZE=4]Loire-Nieuport LN-180[/SIZE]
[SIZE=1]License-built Stampe SV.4b, license acquired 1940.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=3]General characteristics[/SIZE]
Crew: 1-2
Length: 6.80 m (22 ft 4 in)
Wingspan: 8.385 m (27 ft 6 in)
Height: 2.775 m (9 ft 1 in)
Wing area: 18.06 m² (194.4 ft²)
Empty weight: 520 kg (1146 lb)
Max takeoff weight: 770 kg (1697 lb)
Powerplant: 1× de Havilland Gipsy Major X or Blackburn Cirrus Major III, 145 hp (108 kW)

[SIZE=3]Performance[/SIZE]
Maximum speed: 101 knots (188 km/h)
Cruise speed: 75 knots (140 km/h)
Range: 420 km (260 statute miles)
Service ceiling: 20,000 ft (6,000 m)

[SIZE=3]Notes[/SIZE]
Also manufactured by Atelier Industriel de l'Aéronautique d'Alger and Atelier Industriel de l'Aéronautique d'Indochine


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[SIZE=4]Nord Pingouin[/SIZE]
[SIZE=1]License-built Bf108, license acquired 1940.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=3]General characteristics[/SIZE]
Crew: 1
Capacity: 3 passengers
Length: 8.28 m (27 ft 2 in)
Wingspan: 10.61 m (34 ft 10 in)
Height: 2.29 m (7 ft 6½ in)
Empty weight: 881 kg (1941 lb)
Gross weight: 1356 kg (2987 lb)
Powerplant: 1 × Renault 6Q 10, 179 kW (240 hp)

[SIZE=3]Performance[/SIZE]
Cruising speed: 257 km/h (160 mph)
Range: 997 km (620 miles)


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[SIZE=4]Nord Noralpha[/SIZE]
[SIZE=1]License-built and redesigned Bf108; in production late 1941ish.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=3]General characteristics[/SIZE]
Crew: 1
Capacity: 3 passengers
Length: 8.53 m (28 ft 0 in)
Wingspan: 11.48 m (37 ft 8 in)
Height: 3.25 m (10 ft 8 in)
Wing area: 17.37 m² (187 ft²)
Empty weight: 948 kg (2,090 lb)
Gross weight: 1,645 kg (3,627 lb)
Powerplant: 1 × Renault 6Q 10 inline piston engine, 179 kW (240 hp)

[SIZE=3]Performance[/SIZE]
Maximum speed: 305 km/h (189 mph)
Range: 1,200 km (745 miles)
Service ceiling: 5,900 m (19,355 ft)

[SIZE=3]Notes[/SIZE]
Historical Noralpha with French engine and tricycle landing gear.


Notes: "Nord" is not the historical company. It is the result of a merger between Potez, CAMS, and ANF Les Mureaux.