WesWorld

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Ask the SAE that question...

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Originally posted by HoOmAn
Why do you rate the Kongos so low? Taking their historical rebuild design at hand I´d rate them superior to your latest creation in a gun fight.

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When one has allies more than capable of handling the Japanese, it has more strategic merit than wasting your entire GNP trying to match a foe that can outbuild you twice over or so.

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Why should the Royal Navy and the RSAN ever fight each other?

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Originally posted by Red Admiral

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When one has allies more than capable of handling the Japanese, it has more strategic merit than wasting your entire GNP trying to match a foe that can outbuild you twice over or so.

So why bother building ships at all?

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Why should the Royal Navy and the RSAN ever fight each other?

Given the state of Wesworld the RN is only realistically going to be basing out of Singapore or Sydney as Kenya, Aden or Burma don't have large ports available. It doesn't really bode well for the ability of making war in the Indian Ocean. Perth has some capability for cruisers and smaller ships but thats about it. Without India and South Africa the RN is fairly limited in the theatre.

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Aussie Ontario, Canadian-to-Australian Frigate laid down 1937

Displacement:
16,894 t light; 17,830 t standard; 19,495 t normal; 20,826 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
713.04 ft / 705.00 ft x 70.50 ft x 24.00 ft (normal load)
217.33 m / 214.88 m x 21.49 m x 7.32 m

Armament:
12 - 9.20" / 234 mm guns (4x3 guns), 389.34lbs / 176.60kg shells, 1937 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
Main guns limited to end-on fire
18 - 5.50" / 140 mm guns (6x3 guns), 83.19lbs / 37.73kg shells, 1937 Model
Dual purpose guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on side, all amidships, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
32 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (4x8 guns), 1.95lbs / 0.88kg shells, 1937 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
20 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns (10x2 guns), 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1937 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 6,237 lbs / 2,829 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 8.00" / 203 mm 430.00 ft / 131.06 m 10.00 ft / 3.05 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 94 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 8.00" / 203 mm 5.00" / 127 mm 6.00" / 152 mm
2nd: 1.00" / 25 mm 0.25" / 6 mm 0.25" / 6 mm

- Armour deck: 3.00" / 76 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 108,099 shp / 80,642 Kw = 32.00 kts
Range 9,500nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 2,996 tons

Complement:
824 - 1,072

Cost:
£9.085 million / $36.341 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 780 tons, 4.0 %
Armour: 4,698 tons, 24.1 %
- Belts: 1,450 tons, 7.4 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 1,201 tons, 6.2 %
- Armour Deck: 2,047 tons, 10.5 %
- Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0.0 %
Machinery: 2,996 tons, 15.4 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 8,321 tons, 42.7 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,600 tons, 13.3 %
Miscellaneous weights: 100 tons, 0.5 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
28,907 lbs / 13,112 Kg = 74.2 x 9.2 " / 234 mm shells or 2.6 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
Metacentric height 3.5 ft / 1.1 m
Roll period: 15.8 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 1.06
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.19

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.572
Length to Beam Ratio: 10.00 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 30.07 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 42
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 15.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 30.00 ft / 9.14 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 27.00 ft / 8.23 m
- Mid (55 %): 27.00 ft / 8.23 m (20.00 ft / 6.10 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (25 %): 20.00 ft / 6.10 m
- Stern: 20.00 ft / 6.10 m
- Average freeboard: 24.09 ft / 7.34 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 81.9 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 208.5 %
Waterplane Area: 36,883 Square feet or 3,427 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 114 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 145 lbs/sq ft or 706 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.97
- Longitudinal: 1.43
- Overall: 1.01
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

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Originally posted by Rooijen10
*puts money on the RSAN*

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Originally posted by Rooijen10
Australia is just eager to pick a fight with the RSAN and they need a good excuse.

*puts money on the RSAN*

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Oh, thank you Sir.

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Could someone please explain to me why you always rate the SAE as part of SATSUMA or at least a close ally?

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Let´s hope the Aussies will never meet the RSAN in anger. ;o) Both the Reliance and Triumph classes will cause these units some headache....

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You where the one who brought up the SAE...

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...and the SAE is allied to India. Also there were some rumors of the SAE joining SATSUMA.