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Originally posted by Rooijen10
IC: Canada should not concern itself with what is going on in South America except for the fact that there are people there in distess and who need help badly. Rather than worrying about what Japan is doing, it should look at itself and do something. Take action to help out those who need it. Don't offer to send your transport elephant. SEND them there!

It's the same as last time where everyone is waiting as to what to do. The longer we wait, the more people will die. At least Japan takes action to help out instead of waiting for months before decisions are made.

OOC: Regarding the SOBs, the Tiger of Luzon and his troops never left the area. They have been there ever since 1934. The trains are there for better protection and mobility. Canadian troops are welcome to make use of these trains if they deem it to be necessary.

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that is probably an offer just like Persia´s offer to send gendarmes

Read again. You'll see that it is not an offer.

OOC:...and Japan should tread very carefully once its in South America. Other nations ARE watching closely when a nation like Japan sends combat troops rather than just aide under the guise that "everyone is sitting around" it tends to get noticed. Remember whos backyard your in afterall.

IC: Atlantis officially opposes the deployment of combat troops to Bolivia. This is not a war, it is a rescue mission. Deployment of combat troops will be seen as an unwarranted attack on Bolivian sovereignty.

Diplomatic Note delivered from Chile to Japan:

To the Emperor and Honorable Government of Japan,

Thank you for your generous actions on the behalf of the Bolivian people.

The Chilean government feels that at this time Japanese infantry is unnecessary and will pose too much strain on the infrastructure trying to move into Bolivia. Should further manpower be required, Chile and the other regional powers should be capable of handling the situation without outside intervention. Further pursuit of this matter will not be beneficial to either the mission in Bolivia or to the international relationships between Japan and South America.

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Originally posted by howard
1. The People of Peru and the People of Bolivia express their utmost gratitude for aid sent by the great Japanese people in Bolivia's tome of meed.

Oh, now that's cool! A Tome of Meed! I'm imagining a bunch of Vikings or Irish magicians having fun with that one.

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I seriously doubt that Chile and especially Peru would send such notes regarding those Japanese combat troops. Both nations would be well aware of the situation in South American and therefore should know extremely well that the unit in question, the Special Operations Brigade, has been in Bolivia since January 1934 (an offer from Japan to Peru which Peru gladly accepted and which caused a little bit of friction between them and a few other South American Nations (Chile and Argentina)). Considering that Japan has not heard anything from the League of Nations regarding the post war situation in Bolivia, it is believed that the presence of the Special Operations Brigade is still needed in Bolivia.

This is something the Canadians know as well (if they are truly concerned with the 'going ons' in the Americas).

This is something the Atlanteans know as well (due their territory in South America, it is in their backyard after all).

OOC: I was under the impression due to the comments of others that the REST of the LoN peacekeepers in Bolivia had left in early 1935. As I recall it was only supposed to be a one-year mandate in any case, and so I was presuming that the Japanese troops had gone home.

If Japanese troops stayed in Bolivia beyond the rest of the LoN mandate force, then it's because Peru asked them to stay; and Chile would have been sending you several nastygrams every few days asking for their removal. But if they DID stay, that will (albeit retroactively) become another prime reason why Chile joined FAR.

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Originally posted by Rooijen10
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I seriously doubt that Chile and especially Peru would send such notes regarding those Japanese combat troops. Both nations would be well aware of the situation in South American and therefore should know extremely well that the unit in question, the Special Operations Brigade, has been in Bolivia since January 1934 (an offer from Japan to Peru which Peru gladly accepted and which caused a little bit of friction between them and a few other South American Nations (Chile and Argentina)). Considering that Japan has not heard anything from the League of Nations regarding the post war situation in Bolivia, it is believed that the presence of the Special Operations Brigade is still needed in Bolivia.

This is something the Canadians know as well (if they are truly concerned with the 'going ons' in the Americas).

This is something the Atlanteans know as well (due their territory in South America, it is in their backyard after all).

...and its something the Atlanteans have never been fond of. Afterall there are no Atlantean troops of any kind in Japans backyard, Asia. It was assumed that the Japanese prudently headed back home, if thats not the case then Atlantean protests would pertain to all current Japanese "offers" of assistance not just the offers of combat troops.

Japan itself has admited that its presence caused some friction with Chile and Argentina, why then does it insist on a continued secretive presence?

Japan already attempted to meddle in Mexico's affairs durring the civil war. Further meddling in South America will be veiwed as hostile. I'm sure the Japanese don't need the league to tell them that....

OOC: just because the League didn't comment doesn't mean that Japan had the green light to extend its presence. If we use that line of thinking then the Japanese left when the 1 year mandate expired.

OOC: Did you just now reply IC on my OOC comments?? The fact that you last line has "OOC" in front of it suggests that you did.

Roo, just answer my one question: did Japanese troops stay in Bolivia or Peru beyond the rest of the League mandate troops?

If said Japanese troops left with the rest in 1935, then Chile's response will remain as it stands. If the Japanese troops stayed beyond the rest of the LoN troops, then I'm going have to rewrite my news to reflect the extreme annoyance Chile would be expressing. And I don't think I'm alone in that.

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Originally posted by Rooijen10
Considering that Japan has not heard anything from the League of Nations regarding the post war situation in Bolivia, it is believed that the presence of the Special Operations Brigade is still needed in Bolivia.

This is something the Canadians know as well (if they are truly concerned with the 'going ons' in the Americas).

OOC; Canada never liked the presense of Japanese troops so very far from their sphere of influence, and assumed they left after the year's mandate expired, same as the RCMP detachment and other forces in the area. You're now saying Japan kept troops in Bolivia uninvited, and you intend to expand their operations into Peru and/or Chile without anyone's sanction. That's either one hell of a bookkeeping error, or an act of war. Using your logic, Canada could 'believe' that a battallion of Canadian troops are 'needed' somewhere in Pacifica, and Japan nor the Pacifican government would have no reason to object, Walter.

Problem is that I know nothing of a one year mandate.

Okay, here's what research has gotten me.

Perdedor, playing Peru at that time, proposed in Q4/1934 for a League Mandate lasting two years, and permitted the Japanese force to go into Bolivia, via Peru, outside of the LoN troops. The US, Canada, Atlantis, and Argentina all complained, and Peru and Japan told them to take a hike.

In the storm of protests, the Peruvian proposal for a two-year LoN mandate was never discussed again. Some undetermined NATO, Dutch and Kongolese troops apparently joined the LoN force, however. The Bogata Conference ended without a settlement on the length of time the League force was present.

HOWEVER, when the affair in Lithuania started taking shape, Kirk commented that the Dutch and Kongolese no longer had peacekeepers in Bolivia. This led me and apparently several others to believe in a one-year mandate ending in 1935, and with it the presumption that Japanese troops had gone home.

Also, Perdedor proposed: "the military missions in Bolivia should leave no later than six months after the stated plebiscites." Which can be as late as 1949!

In short summary... yes, Japanese troops MAY still be in Bolivia, but if there are Japanese troops in Bolivia, then apparently the REST of the LoN forces have gone home. Considering the line Howard has taken in Peru, then they might have overstayed their welcome, and the new government wants to see the Japanese go home.

So, we have several possibilities.

FIRST, we can retroactively vote on the length of time a LoN force is in Bolivia, with Peru pushing for two years (that coincidentally puts us in Q4/36 for the end of the mandate). The Japanese troops would thus stay in Bolivia even after the rest of the LoN troops left. I see this as being highly improbable: the NATO response at that time was strong enough that the NATO powers wouldn't have left the Japanese alone. If this is the case, NATO and Japan would still have troops in Bolivia, but the Dutch and Kongolese left.
-- Problems: Peru is no longer hot on the idea of a League mandate.

SECOND, we can say the Japanese left Bolivia when the other task force members did - sometime before the end of 1935, in other words. I feel this is the best solution in lieu of Peru's current about-face on not wanting (more?) Japanese troops.
--- Problems: Japan disagrees.

THIRD, the Peruvians could eject or uninvite the Japanese troops. Considering that Peru told Atlantis and the US "tough noogies, go fly a kite, the Japanese are coming whether you like it or not", such an action would be a major about-face, and would result in a serious breech of apparently close Peruvian-Japanese relations.
--- Problems: Serious change of course for Peru, serious slight to Japan.

A German mountain regiment (I'd have to look to see which one) was also part of the LoN force in Bolivia.

Since SATSUMA presence is unacceptable to FAR and Peru and as Persia learnt its lesson in Bucharest. The Ships carrying Persian aid have been ordered back to port.

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Originally posted by Vukovlad
Since SATSUMA presence is unacceptable to FAR and Peru and as Persia learnt its lesson in Bucharest. The Ships carrying Persian aid have been ordered back to port.

OOC: Since SATSUMA's "aid" only ever seems to come attached to combat troop deployments, it's probably better that way for everyone involved.

Seriously, you guys. Would SATSUMA seriously consider for a moment permitting FAR or AEGIS troops to suddenly pop up in, say, Sri Lanka to conduct peacekeeping?

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Originally posted by Vukovlad
OOC: That is a strange statement considering the scorn heaped on Persia for not wanting FAR and AEGIS in Persia during the confrontation

OOC: I think you're having a memory malfunction.

One, ONLY ONE, of the participants were aligned even remotely with FAR - that's Armenia, which has a treaty with Russia. Azerbaijan is not aligned with FAR aside from sharing a border with Russia. If sharing a border with Russia makes you a FAR lackey... I guess Japan, China, and Persia are all FAR lackeys.

Edit: uh... did that post get deleted?

I deleted it since I want my last quarters to be quiet

I was talking about the LoN forces that were to be stationed in the DMZ

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Originally posted by Vukovlad
I deleted it since I want my last quarters to be quiet

I was talking about the LoN forces that were to be stationed in the DMZ

You mean the observers who were double-checking that the force draw-downs proceeded as agreed? Hardly "forces stationed". A couple hundred guys to walk around the border and say "Yup, they're moving back as promised!"