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Quoted from "BruceDuncan" And with enormous costs. This is the difference between "reserves" and "economically recoverable reserves"; cost being one of the primary reasons OTL Sweden abandoned its nuclear weapons program. I repeat: Immediate-term and/or direct economic concerns are not dominant in this decision. The cost of building and maintaining in a 'mothballed' state the mining and refining equipment required is considered secondary or tertiary in comparison to the potential costs of compl...
Quoted from "BruceDuncan" Perhaps, perhaps not. From the Wiki article – Uranium mining by country Quoted In Sweden, uranium production took place at Ranstadsverket between 1965 and 1969 by mining of alum shale (kind of oil shale) deposits. The goal was to make Sweden self-supplying with uranium. The high operating costs of the pilot plant (heap leaching) due to the low concentration of uranium in the shale and the availability at that time of comparatively cheap uranium on the world market caus...
Sooner or later, Nikolaus' uranium trail is going to run dry - the entire decision to pursue nuclear power, at least in internal logic, is based on Sweden's extremely extensive reserves of (Admittedly, low-purity) uranium ore - but I suppose that the processing plants and so on may be scheduled for later in the program. From Wiki's article on the OTL Swedish nuclear weapons' program: Quoted During the final phase of World War II, the Swedish Government saw value in the future of nuclear energy, ...
Honestly, because the other reason for using IP is to head off any complaints of my trying to 'cheese' my way into nuclear weapons - if I've paid in full, then it can hardly count as sneakiness. But if the Mods feel that the program can proceed entirely in the 'untracked budget', or in some intermediate ratio (Is that what I had in mind with the initial 30IP figure? It feels like it might be.), I'd be amenable. No reason not to sell yard space, after all.
So, back again to talking about this rather than just musing. I have an... aesthetic distaste for 'This turned out to be too hard so I'll stop'. I do it in real life only with fits of great self-loathing, and I'm not willing to commit the same sin - and I use that particular word deliberately - in-character. Whatever Nordmark is up to, they're going to finish what they've started. I'm less OCD, though, about the idea that they're up to what I'd originally thought they were doing - IE, retconning...
Quoted from "Rooijen10" Where's my option? Help Nordmark finance their project? That'd probably fall as a subclass of 'it's fine'.
So, between failures of memory, failures of reading comprehension, and a damnable incessant case of social tone-deafness - all of them on my part - I seem to have put myself and Nordmark in the last place I wanted them to be. Smack bang in the center of conflict and confrontation, both in-setting, and out. Having talked myself out of quitting on the spot to put myself out of everyone else's misery, I'm still left with a quandry - as this thread's title says. Where do we go from here?
Quoted from "Hood" It seems too odd banking your defence on a totally theoretical defence system, its like me ditching half the Royal Navy to research death-ray space stations. Sure the worry is there to a potential enemy but its all on the physicist's blackboard (and who really understands algebra anyway? ) What's going to deter the bad guys more, a conceptual weapon that's never been built or a fleet of costal defence ships and decent tanks and well-trained troops ? (The Belgians advice is yo...
Quoted from "Brockpaine" Quoted from "Hood" Nordmark has some of the best defensive territory in the world. I doubt any nation could easily conquer the whole and successfully occupy it. I still don't see the threat. The irony is that Russia has been very strongly inclined towards a friendly relationship with Nordmark: there are too many other potential flashpoints in Asia for Petrograd to antagonize those of its neighbors who are friendly, industrious, and orderly. Now though, Nordmark's action...
Quoted from "Hood" Your cruise-missile submarine concept makes much more sense now you've posted this and the train of thought is obvious. Can Nordmark affod to build the research facilities, mine and refine the fissle materials, build a warhead, test it (where?), test some more, fine tune the design, develop a weapons system concept(s) for delivery, design the bomb/missile, test said bomb/missile(s), develop launch platform(s), build launch platform, test launch platform, test all three elemen...
Quoted from "Brockpaine" Next, Russia does not understand the Nordish 'threat analysis' that has led to the decision to create a strong-to-weak deterrent. The interpretation within Petrograd is that Nordmark is on very positive terms with Britain, Germany, and Russia, which are the only neighboring powers Nordmark cannot handily defeat using solely conventional forces. Ergo, an atomic deterrent can only be aimed at one of those three. Germany and Great Britain have been quite friendly to Nordma...
The sources I'd been working from were in memory - a novelization of the bomb project and the actual combat drop missions by the title of Enola Gay, which I must've read, like, twenty years ago, now? First grade. And a history of the leadup to and development of ENIAC through to the UNIVAC series, with a lot of attention to the life of John von Neumann, which unfortunately I cannot relocate right this second. If the Nordish program continues to be a seriously controversial thing, I'll probably d...
Quoted from "BruceDuncan" Oops! Yeah, seriously. I mean, I didn't put disclaimers of mathematical incompetence on my sim reports for a while for nothing, but usually I come closer than that. The only thing I can think of is that I'd managed to find some reference to the costs of the Swedish nuclear weapons program and they were a lot lower, but if so, I can't find them again right now. *shrug* Well, it serves my Doylist purpose of using up all the industrial production Nordmark can't use even b...
Quoted from "thesmilingassassin" Keep in mind both Britain and the U.S. both had nuclear programs, Britains more advanced that the Americans at first, then when war broke out and the British hesitated to share their research and were very quickly outpaced by the U.S. program, albeit due to their scientists working on "tube alloy's" were deverted to the American program. Essentially the British program was subsumed by the American one. Britain was a fairly wealthy country and it took them a deca...
Quoted from "BruceDuncan" I do not believe you have answered my question... and your assumptions are self-serving. ...Uhhuh. I hadn't addressed the question directly because I don't think that the specific answer is relevant. It is, very literally, an extension of the question of 'Why does Nordmark have a navy and army and air force in the first place' - to ensure that the United States and Germany and the British Empire and, yes, Russia, and all the other states that could have designs on Nord...
Quoted from "BruceDuncan" You justify developing nuclear weapons because you lack the manpower to maintain a viable conventional defense against perceived foes... Exactly who do you need to defend against? I think you are assuming a more predatory environment than actually exists; but certainly moving to develop such super weapons will be seen as a predatory measure by your neighbors and they will be constrained to act accordingly. Look at things from their perspective. International politics a...
Quoted from "Hood" Ah yes, I do remember now, now I've found the reference. I wouldn't get too jumpy about it, its still only a theoretical concept, sure the science is probably quite sound now but its a whole new unknown and the Nords haven't even got a pile going yet. I give them 10 years to do a decent job and without outside help its going to be a long slog. I was calculating more like 7-8 years, but either way it's not until long after the end of the game. Quoted from "Hood" As a weapon, I...
Quoted from "BruceDuncan" By definition a weapon or weapon system is neither solely defensive or offensive; it depends on how it is wielded by the user and perceived by the potential recipient. How is Nordmark threatened by any of its neighbors? Has Nordmark grown so paranoid that it must explicitly begin development of weapons of mass destruction to assure its security? If so, the development of comparable weapons by others is to be expected. As for preemptive actions, I think the term is "nip...
Quoted from "Brockpaine" 2. You are hereby directed to compose or update all plans, files, or scenarios in order to advise the Defense Council and the Presidium regarding a national doctrine to actively encourage the termination of the Nordish atomic arms program using all necessary and applicable national-level assets, up to and including the preemptive use of military force. 3. You are hereby directed to consult upon the advisability of a program to design and acquire a deterent force of atom...
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