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It won't. If you increase length, beam, and draught by a factor of 10 each, tonnage increases by a factor of 1000. Machinery-power does not increase linearly with tonnage, however, and it should be noted that the machinery used in small attack-craft are either high-speed petrol-engines or high-speed diesels (although by WW2 I think only the Germans had adopted diesels for MTBs) - they are on a different curve than steam-turbines and large medium- and low-speed diesel-engines. Hull-form and -size...
Essentially the Adriatic became a rather difficult area of operations for largish vessels, as both Italians and Austro-Hungarians were rather diligent about the employment of light forces, small submarines, and mines - resulting in the Italian and austrian main-fleets being reduced to mainly fleets in being. Nordmark does not want any future wars to result in the Baltic becoming so congested with mines and torpedocraft that regular operations become impossible - on the other hand, nordmark does ...
Nordmark would press for the clause about no mines to extend to capital ships, cruisers, destroyers, and torpedoboats, as well.
Quoted Originally posted by thesmilingassassin When it comes to Atlantian involvement in WW1 most is in Turkey with some fighting in France, but what about Italy, Nordmark and the SAE? I'm guessing that Italy would be as Historical while the SAE may perhaps also be involved in Turkey and the ME as well as Africa, while Nordmark would likely consintrate on germany and Possibly Austria/Hungary or Belgium/France? It is likely that Nordmark was significantly involved on the Eastern Front, mainly in...
Quoted Originally posted by The Rock Doctor My understanding from the "New Player" thread was that destroyer size was capped at 1500 tons. I thought we had also resolved the fate of all significant German units at that time. Then I misremembered. Anyway, what Nordmark would want to see regard fast attack craft is as follows. There should be a numerical cap on torpedoboats, which are defined as torpedocarrying vessels other than capital ships, cruisers, and destroyers - tentatively set the limit...
The way I read the treaty-text was that the 20,000,000,000 marks gold was just the fee that had to be paid by the end of April 1921. Then there's the other stuff, such as repayment for all the warloands taken up by Belgium with 5% interest pa, and so on and so on.
In this timeline, did Italy blow up Viribus Unitis after she was taken over by the Yugoslavs? Nordmark is, for the record, deeply skeptical towards allowing Germany fast attack-craft; Nordmark is fully aware of what Italy did to Szent Istvan - if allowed, they would have to be included in the total quota of torpedoboats of up to 200 tons otherwise allowed Germany. Nordmark is also strictly opposed to allowing Germany minelayers. I propose that tonnage-limit for destroyers is set to 1000 tons rat...
The link in my first post in this topic, post near the top of the topic, is to the full text of the 1919 Treaty of Versailles - it's a big one. A very big one. From this can be read, for instance, in Part 8: Articles 231-247: Reparations: Quoted ARTICLE 235. In order to enable the Allied and Associated Powers to proceed at once to the restoration of their industrial and economic life, pending the full determination of their claims, Germany shall pay in such installments and in such manner (wheth...
Well, it does seem that torpedoboats of 200 tons are also limited in the historical Treaty of Versailles - it says in one article that Germany may retain in commmission six battleships, six cruisers, twelve destroyers, and twelve torpedoboats, and in another article that Germany may not construct new warships except to replace those in commission. Of course, the WesWorld Treaty of Versailles is somewhat different.
SECTION V. GENERAL ARTICLES. ARTICLE 211. After the expiration of a period of three months from the coming into force of the present Treaty, the German laws must have been modified and shall be maintained by the German Government in conformity with this Part of the present Treaty. Within the same period all the administrative or other measures relating to the execution of this Part of the Treaty must have been taken. ARTICLE 212. The following portions of the Armistice of November 11, 1918 Artic...
SECTION IV. INTER-ALLIED COMMISSIONS OF CONTROL. ARTICLE 203. All the military, naval and air clauses contained in the present Treaty, for the execution of which a time-limit is prescribed, shall be executed by Germany under the control of Inter-Allied Commissions specially appointed for this purpose by the Principal Allied and Associated Powers. ARTICLE 204. The Inter-Allied Commissions of Control will be specially charged with the duty of seeing to the complete execution of the delivery, destr...
SECTION III. AIR CLAUSES. ARTICLE 198. The armed forces of Germany must not include any military or naval air forces. Germany may, during a period not extending beyond October 1, 1919, maintain a maximum number of one hundred seaplanes or flying boats, which shall be exclusively employed in searching for submarine mines, shall be furnished with the necessary equipment for this purpose, and shall in no case carry arms, munitions or bombs of any nature whatever. In addition to the engines installe...
SECTION II . NAVAL CLAUSES. ARTICLE 181. After the expiration of a period of two months from the coming into force of the present Treaty the German naval forces in commission must not exceed: 6 battleships of the Deutschland or Lothringen type, 6 light cruisers, 12 destroyers, 12 torpedo boats, or an equal number of ships constructed to replace them as provided in Article l90. No submarines are to be included. All other warships, except where there is provision to the contrary in the present Tre...
PART V. MILITARY, NAVAL AND AIR CLAUSES. In order to render possible the initiation of a general limitation of the armaments of all nations, Germany undertakes strictly to observe the military, naval and air clauses which follow. SECTION I. MILITARY CLAUSES. CHAPTER I. EFFECTIVES AND CADRES OF THE GERMAN ARMY. ARTICLE 159. The German military forces shall be demobilised and reduced as prescribed hereinafter. ARTICLE 160. By a date which must not be later than March 31, 1920, the German Army must...
Historically, the 1919 Treaty of Versailles specified that the German navy in commission should not exceed 6 battleships, six light cruisers, twelve destroyers and twelve torpedoboats, with all other navy ships being either placed in reserve or given over to commercial use. I will for reference include below sections I to V from Part V: MILITARY, NAVAL AND AIR CLAUSES. of the complete treaty-text.
The Times July 19th, 1921: ARGENTINE FUGITIVE DIPLOMAT SUBJECT OF INTERNATIONAL INTEREST Following the surprising release of the arrested Argentine national, Mr Guillermo Gonzalez, from Nordmark custody, a number of peculiar incidents have come to light. Already on July 14th the Royal Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Denmark announced that its ambassador to Nordmark has had to return temporarily to Denmark owing to personal reasons; this is now believed to be related to advance Nordmark notice of ...
Marinkuriren July 18th 1921: SHIPS ACQUIRED Following the recent departure of the expeditionary fleet, the mail-, passenger- and cargo-services that tie our nation together have been badly undersupplied with tonnage. This situation has now being rectified. Following negotiations with the British government, the British Shipping Controller has released for sale to Nordmark three steamers, the 13000-tonners Pretoria, Graf Waldersee, and Patricia, all late of Hapag of Hamburg. The ships will be tak...
I need to know definitely which representatives will attend the royal funeral. So far I have the following: India The Raj, Rajiv Canagasundrum The Rana, Aishwarya Canagasundrum Princess Prahminder CanagasundrumGermany President EbertRussian Federation President KerenskijFrance President MillerandSouth African Empire The King-Emperor (name momentarily left my brain) Anyone else?Iberia King Enrique III Queen Isabella V Prime Minister Dom Gonzalves de MonaesJapan The Emperor and Empress The Shogun ...
There's a development there.
BERLINGSKE TIDENDE JULY 12th 1921: Copenhagen/Berlin: In a surprise move, the government of the Republic of Argentina has appointed Señor Pedro Alvarez y Aznar, Charges d'Affairs of Argentine Embassy to Berlin, as Charges d'Affairs ad interim accredited to His Majesty's Minister of Foreign Affairs. Señor Alvarez y Aznar will meet with the Danish Minister of Foreign Affairs on July 14th in the Danish city of Sønderborg, to discuss the recent upheavals in the relations between the two nations.
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