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Just four main guns... did you happen to notice the Size? They're four 16" guns. Yeah, the layout was done with Springsharp 2 originally, and I don't think I figured out how to assign proper ammo capacities for all. The AA suite... consider her secondary battery is also DP, in addition to her third battery, which were based around the Japanese 10cm mounting, which was a rather phenomenal AA gun. I did the freeboard a while back, and looking at it, think I likely overdid the numbers, but I didn't...
Yes, their official rated Cruise speed might well be lower than that for Transiting between points. However, their range was Rated for the running at that speed. Springsharp does not make allowances for that, in all truth. I'll own and confess - they might cruise slower when they're not being tasked with something time sensitive. The problem is, That is the speed they were designed to run at - the speed they were meant to run at when doing what they were meant to do. This is why they were given ...
Tex, Shinra, that's the Point - these aren't the Standard for the fleet in concept that I have - these are the long arm of the fleet, so to speak - they center on things such as reconnaisance, pursuit, patrol - they are Purpose Bred and Built to run interlopers into the ground or conversely escape enemy reprocussions. This is why the cruise speed is so high. They're a Forward Ops Cruiser, which is why they carry a not-so-light armament. I agree, I have a few things I need to adjust, like the loc...
Brock, your conceptual argument has its own flaws, just like the inevitable Battleship vs Carrier debate, and we will not start that here. The effectiveness of the torpedo strategy is not the be-all and end-all of the Japanese war strategy's overall effectiveness. Then again, they essentially lost the war at Midway, with the colossal stupidity of Yamamoto Isoroku, and I will Never see that man as some misunderstood genius. Of course, the same could be said for taking Chuichi Nagumo, a man suspic...
My opinion on torpedoes that size, and wander, is that it's relatively not troubling - they travel in a straight-ish line, and if you're throwing it at an enemy fleet, if you aim at the middle, generally, you stand a chance of hitting Something with a spread of them - if the enemy steers to avoid, you've disrupted their patterning in principle and caused the enemy to break their plan. With a weapon like that, you're not counting on hits, you're counting on Chaos. The Japanese strategy was to thr...
Tex - the Shel'keth is meant to cruise a fair length at a good clip - Primarily she's patrol or pursuit in concept, so the long thoroughbred legs are meant to run down the prey. Brock - yeah, I'll probably revise the armor around the gun batteries and strengthen them up for improved protection. Hrolf - the Decalin torps have a nice speed to them I will admit, but they're a little short in the leg for their range. Might I suggest an oxidizer or similar to help sustain the burn of the fuel a littl...
The long cruising range is primarily because she's meant as a patrol cruiser - I wanted her to give the ability to run long and at a decent speed in order to run down the enemy if need be. I might revise her number of shafts though, courtesy of the information... it just seemed to me like a good number as two struck me as perhaps too few for the requirements.
Just put out there for consideration, here's another concept that was borne of the creations of one Admiral Craig "U Furashita" Burke - the Chichibu, an IJN Panzerschiffe. Granted, she's a little meaner than the Deutschlands. So, here we go. Based off a Mogami - I even built a model of this monster. For the record, her 16" guns are Superfiring over the 155mm mounts to close in the major guns' magazines under the belt space. Chichibu, Japan Battlecruiser laid down 1939 Displacement: 24,543 t ligh...
Hey, you're the one who said she was underarmored - having freed up a massive chunk with the madman level of fuel she had (ok, so she Was a tanker with guns), I guess I went a little bit overkill on the armor. Consider it a play on the Panzerschiffe's rule of "if we can't outrun it we'll outshoot it" with "If we can't outrun it, we'll outgun it and laugh at its gun power"
Alright, discussion and modifiction, here we go, the new report: Shel'keth, Khodan Shel'keth Class Cruiser laid down 1950 Displacement: 12,398 t light; 13,034 t standard; 19,248 t normal; 24,219 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (639.89 ft / 623.36 ft) x 55.77 ft (Bulges 65.62 ft) x (32.81 / 40.13 ft) (195.04 m / 190.00 m) x 17.00 m (Bulges 20.00 m) x (10.00 / 12.23 m) Armament: 8 - 6.69" / 170 mm 60.0 cal guns - 164.20lbs / 74.48kg shells, 150 p...
Hrolf - Decalin eh? Wonder how that affects the range - I always admired the Type 93 for its range and warhead, nothing quite sows chaos in an enemy battle line like a brace of long range torpedoes that can ruin your weekend in a single hit scraggling along amongst the fleet. I always thought a peroxide turbine might yield a rather effective torpedo propulsion, and I seem to recall some Germans thought similar. Wes - yeah, I should probably cut out the bulkhead and bulge armour - it might yield ...
Hmm, thought I had enough draft/freeboard to compensate for things... It didn't gripe at me... Wes - Thanks, for some reason I kept trying to figure out the meaning and getting things like "Tactical Depth Sonar? I have Sonar on this thing?" Hrolf - Didn't know about the 60cm Torpedo - Not sure about its dimensions compared to the infamous Type 93, though I'm sure given things like a peroxide turbine might be faster or other things. As to the 17cm, I was aiming for a harder hitting light cruiser,...
Shinra - I wasn't sure if that was Springsharp's response to the concept, so I just kinda seperated them to make sure of it. Brock - TDS? Not sure what you mean. Fox - I was aiming for something with a length of leg, and SS3 for some reason doesn't define Which unit of measure it was going for. Hrolf - My aim was for something a little harder hitting than the M, and meant for long cruising range - thus the diesels by design. I aimed for main guns with some relative punch, and I wanted to toy wit...
Alright, I designed this beastie somewhat after the M-Project Cruisers, though fitted it with some calibers that some might find odd. Thoughts are welcome. The main guns are based off the earlier German 17cm, but designed for longer range and effect. The rest, should be self explanatory. So, without further adieu, here we go: Shel'keth, Khodan Shel'keth Class Cruiser laid down 1950 Displacement: 10,074 t light; 10,988 t standard; 34,326 t normal; 52,996 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / ...
Crap, that's like Yamato and Iowa had a bastard lovechild, which picked up an odball secondary battery. And unfortunately, she picked up most of the ugly superstructure features of Iowa. She's like a Monty on really really bad acid. And considering main firing practice was NOT to fire all guns at once, primarily due to recoil - even Prince of Wales could roll herself with an alpha-strike broadside - I seriously doubt just One of those dozen monsters would cause her to roll all that heavily. But ...
All this talk of 4.5" guns and the Didos makes me think of the two Toothless Terrors - the Scylla and her sister - Charybdis wasn't it? who were fitted with the 4.5's because they had no 5.25's available at the time.
You're also forgetting - most ship designs, the main battery is, IIRC, included in the Citadel scheme. If the citadel is included and integrated with the barbettes, then you have a constant strength of metal across the area to help increase strength in places. You can also increase strength in the area with the girders between barbettes being integrated similarly to the barbette, similar to arches off the columns. Similarly, with all the stress on the top, you've got to look at the hull's desire...
I question the argument of the wider barbettes weakening the hull - that's really more a case of poor design on the behalf of the people building the ship. The barbette is a large, Armored tower in the center of the hull. It's a great big column of strength, the real problem being that the designers in this case aren't tapping into the strength benefit that the strengthened steel could do - integrate a few bulkheads into the construction of the barbette, and then you're tying the shortened bulkh...
Yes, the Heavy Cruisers with the 8" guns had their 5" secondary batteries. This is well and fine, but it means the main weapons still aren't DP - this is the debate of CL vs CA - the general requirement being even mildly DP armaments all around, to project the maximum defense. I'm with ShinRa - I find the comment of 8" gun rounds being used against aircraft dubious. Timed or Variable Timed fuses I don't recall being used on 8" rounds, which would be requisite for general AA fire. Against Torpedo...
KV-2 was handicapped in a way by the fact it was an upgrade/conversion principle though - they had to fit the gun into a turret big enough to handle it, without any level of submergence into the hull which was limited in its capacity. So you have the gun, the big arsed turret, the mechanics to turn that turret, and IIRC it had more than six stowed rounds which would add further to the weight. By comparison, his unit here is like an upsized Hummel, and he's avoiding excess weight in the "turret" ...
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