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Sunday, January 17th 2010, 4:44pm

Noticias Argentinas Q3/38

Noticias Argentinas

July 1
Today the Defence Minister Vice Almirante (ret). Hood and Chief of Staff of the Navy Almirante Benedicto were present at the AFNE yard to witness the laying down of two new escort destroyers, the Granville and Guerrico. Both are part of a six-ship class of destroyers primarily designed to escort capital units and escorts and to engage anti-submarine, aerial and surface targets. The Granville and Guerrico are optimised for anti-surface and anti-aircraft roles and their four sisters will be anti-submarine ships.
Two of these sisters, Ferre and the Gomez Roca were laid down at the Astillero Nav and Tandanor Yards respectively today with ceremonies hosted by other important naval officers and ministerial officials.

July 5
A man was arrested today in Bahia Blanca after complaints were made that he was disturbing the peace. The man in question was walking around with a huge noticeboard with the words "We are all Doomed!". He was ranting throughout the town shouting, "This is all fake, we do not exist! We are part of a virtual world called Wesworld on the internet and are figments of the player's imaginations. We are pawns in their game. This is not real it's a virtual world hosted on a server and we are all living in a naval RPG that is being played in the year 2010 across the world by armchair admirals."
He was detained and transferred to Bahia Blanca asylum this evening. A police spokesman said, "he was obviously nuts, we have no idea what Wesworld means, what a virtual world is, we assume a server is some kind of resturant worker and we have absoutely no idea what an RPG is. We're pretty sure it isn't 2010 either. Everyone should remain calm and continue their daily business." The Navy denied any of its admirals were sitting in armchairs or had anything to do with the madman and was sure that it's ships "are not fictional."

July 6
Tucan Aircraft’s Chief Test Pilot Capitan de Aero Estrada made another first flight today when he took up the brand-new Tucan T-18B NB-2. The flight went well but he complained of some lateral instability and poor roll control. Designed as a one-off prototype, this is the prototype T-18 fitted with a 1300hp Spartan 12V-1300S-SA V-12 inline engine and new nose section ahead of the cockpit. The fuselage has been strengthened with a section inserted aft to maintain the c.g, a new undercarriage fitted, altered fuel system and some aerodynamic refinements added. On completion of flying trials it will go for further trials with the Aviacion Naval.
Dimensions: span 14.05m; length 11.7m; height 3.81m; wing area 28.98 sq m (46/ 38.4/ 12.6/ 312 sq ft); wing loading 29 lbs/ft; power loading 0.16lb/hp
Weights: empty 6,969lbs, maximum take-off 9,000lbs
Powerplant: one 1300hp FMA Spartan 12V-1300S-SA V-12 inline engine with supercharger
Performance: max speed 324 mph; service ceiling 34,500ft; range 748 miles full load
Capacity: pilot in enclosed cockpit forward, navigator/gunner behind in fuselage in enclosed cockpit facing aft, pilot protected by a 6mm thick armoured plate
Armament: four wing-mounted 7.62mm Browning MG, one manual dorsal mounting with twin 7.92mm FMG/M32 MG (drum feed), bombload 227kg (500lbs) on one ventral (500lbs) and two wing racks (250lbs each)
Equipment: full controls and navigation equipment including receiver/transmitter, HF/DF, Sperry autopilot, one rescue dinghy in wingroot and ventral camera fitted in cabin floor


[SIZE=1]Imagine this with an inline engine and your 80% looking at the T-18.[/SIZE]

EDIT: 1,300hp.

This post has been edited 3 times, last edit by "Hood" (Jan 17th 2010, 4:58pm)


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Sunday, January 17th 2010, 4:55pm

On the T-18, is it going to be fitted with a 900 hp or a 1300 hp engine? The data is confusing.....

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Sunday, January 17th 2010, 7:25pm

RE: Noticias Argentinas Q3/38

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Originally posted by Hood
July 5
A man was arrested today in Bahia Blanca after complaints were made that he was disturbing the peace. The man in question was walking around with a huge noticeboard with the words "We are all Doomed!". He was ranting throughout the town shouting, "This is all fake, we do not exist! We are part of a virtual world called Wesworld on the internet and are figments of the player's imaginations. We are pawns in their game. This is not real it's a virtual world hosted on a server and we are all living in a naval RPG that is being played in the year 2010 across the world by armchair admirals."
He was detained and transferred to Bahia Blanca asylum this evening. A police spokesman said, "he was obviously nuts, we have no idea what Wesworld means, what a virtual world is, we assume a server is some kind of resturant worker and we have absoutely no idea what an RPG is. We're pretty sure it isn't 2010 either. Everyone should remain calm and continue their daily business." The Navy denied any of its admirals were sitting in armchairs or had anything to do with the madman and was sure that it's ships "are not fictional."


*ROFL*

Great piece! Like that a lot!

:D :D :D

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Sunday, January 17th 2010, 7:53pm

Dear Raving Lunatic
(CO: Bahia Blanca Asylum)

We are intrigued by your ideas and wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

Regards,
Canada

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Sunday, January 17th 2010, 8:22pm

the matri... uhm the Wesworld has you.

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Monday, January 18th 2010, 3:07am

There is no razor blad...err spoon!

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Thursday, January 28th 2010, 11:13pm

July 23
There was tight security at FMA’s small airfield near Neuquen, Province of Neuquen, today (indeed for the last four months) as work was undertaken on a new prototype in a new hangar at the site. Last week FMA released details that it was working on a high-speed aircraft and invitations were sent for Heavenly Pursuits to send a correspondent to witness the trials.
The aircraft that flew today was a radical type and of the most modern systems and possibly is the pinnacle of Argentine aircraft design and engineering. The I.Ae 10, better known as the RP-1 to industry insiders, is a fighter sized aircraft and really is a flying testbed for the rocket engine programme. Here are the particulars;


Dimensions: span 9.1m; length 9.29m; wing loading 33lb/ ft sq
Structure: all-metal monocoque fuselage with I section fames and L section stringers with stressed light alloy covering, light alloy used for cantilever tail construction and tailplane covering. The nose contains a propeller which drives an electrical generator, behind this is the pressurised cockpit (built in Atlantis) which has a 20mm thick armoured windscreen and the canopy hood is fitted with inflatable rubber air seals but easily jettisonable in an emergency. The tailpipe and engine area is lined with curved stainless steel panels bolted to the fuselage stringers to act as a heat shield. The entire cockpit unit is inside the fuselage giving a double-skin and is made from steel. Cantilever metal wing with three I section steel spars, hydraulically-activated all-metal split flaps and aluminium framed ailerons with aluminium covering. Rudder and elevators aluminium framed with aluminium covering. Retractable hydraulically-raised main undercarriage with single oleo-pneumatic legs with twin pneumatic brakes and a retractable castoring nosewheel for a tricycle layout.
Weights: empty 2101kg (4,634lbs), maximum weight 2267kg (5,000lbs)
Capacity: pilot in pressurised cockpit
Equipment: full controls and navigation equipment including receiver/transmitter and windmill-driven generator

The most remarkable item, other than the Atlantean-built pressure cabin, is the powerplant. It will be one FMA/ RRF RL-FNO-104 engine producing 2,350lbs thrust, the fuel is RFNA (red fuming nitric acid) solution which is a mix of 96% nitric acid with 4% ferric chloride. This corrosive substance requires the use of stainless steels tanks. Developed from the FMA/ RRF RL-FNO-103 the engine is packaged as a single unit with one kerosene tank, two smaller pressurised concentrated red fuming nitric acid tanks an advanced chamber using experience from the AAM-3 programme and nozzle. The FNO-104 is simply an enlarged FNO-103 with more tank capacity, improved pumps and new combustion chamber. The engine is throttleable in flight to give different thrust levels. This was a world first and the FNO-104 is currently the most advanced rocket in the world. As the FNO-104 is not yet available for flight testing the first ten flights will be undertaken with an FNO-103 of 950lbs thrust switching to the FNO-104 in November. Performance with the FNO-104 should be roughly a maximum speed of 495mph and 6,364ft/min rate of climb.

At 10:38 the aircraft was towed out of the hangar and readied for flight, at 11:21 it was taken to the fuelling pit at the furthest edge of the airfield where the RFNA and kerosene tanks were filled. At 11:56 it was towed back to the runway threshold and a truck containing the pilot, Capitan de Aero Alfonso de Bastian (winner of the Argentine Nation to the Valour in Combat Medal) and support crew strapped him into the seat and closed the canopy. A ground battery supplied electric power and at 12:19 the engine was started and he quickly rolled down the runway and very easily took off and shot up into the air with the most tremendous noise and exhaust issuing from the tail. He reached a speed of 312mph at 10,000ft and after a quick circuit he cut the engine (or it ran out of fuel) and glided back to a somewhat long but smooth landing.

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Thursday, January 28th 2010, 11:22pm

Chile offers enthusiastic praise for Argentina's brilliant engineering accomplishments.

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Friday, January 29th 2010, 8:04pm

My eyes, my eyes. It sure isn't a pretty aircraft.

I personally feel the throttleable rocket is a bit optimistic. Its difficult technology to get working. A two chamber design would be easier. Still should be relatively easy to upgrade in future.

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Friday, January 29th 2010, 11:36pm

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I think she looks rather business like. She's no spitfire to be sure but I've seen uglier!!

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Saturday, January 30th 2010, 3:05pm

Looking at it again, the canopy seems a bit small given that it's a small aircraft. Lots of heavy framing on it as well, but that comes from the pressure cabin I assume? You can probably get away with less framing.

How long until we see an armed version? or an explosion.

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Saturday, January 30th 2010, 4:05pm

Well Wes your part right, the picture is Supermarine Attacker mashed with Me 163 and something else for the tail. And as for ugly, well am I not Ugly Aircraft Inc? :D

The canopy is heavy framed but I figured this tech is in its inancy so better to overdo it than risk a failure.

No plans to arm it but don't be surprised if it goes bang. There are other plans for this aircraft as testing carries on. Really its high-risk but its the next step from the rocket engine programme to get a practical machine. The Atlantean rocket programme is going well but as yet without a clear aim. This might lead to a rocket-powered fighter one day or at the least prove rockets can be used to boost aircraft and that pressurised cabins work. Please don't think FMA has done all the work, Spartan has been the main technical brains behind the airframe and cabin.

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Saturday, January 30th 2010, 6:18pm

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Originally posted by Hood
Please don't think FMA has done all the work, Spartan has been the main technical brains behind the airframe and cabin.


....plus Dr. Minia and the the Argentinian rocket engineers have a part to play as well.

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Tuesday, February 2nd 2010, 10:06pm

August 9
Deliveries of a batch of five test rocket engines have begun, these were intended for the Italian Air Force but the order has been cancelled and the Fuerza Aerea Argentina decided to continue development on a purely trials basis. These are the new FMA/ RRF RL-FNO-105 1,000lbs thrust rocket. In 1936 the Italian air force approached FMA to produce a rocket capable of take-off assistance for future heavy bombers. To this end the ‘unit’ principle of the FNO102 was refined with extra safety systems, rapid dump valves; fire-proof shielding and stainless steel casings surround the complete rocket and tank system. It weighs 68kg (150lbs) and produces 1,000lbs of thrust. It uses RFNA (red fuming nitric acid a mix of 96% nitric acid with 4% ferric chloride) and kerosene as fuels.

August 14
The government has put pressure on the Senate to accept the Nationalisation Bill with many rumoured bribes to senators and outside the Senate Building unions have held several large marches and a one-day strike which has affected all steel foundries and oil plants to make their point. Opinion polls show that Conservative support is rising and public support for the coalition government is falling among many but the working classes.
The Senate again votes on the Nationalisation Bill.
The votes are;
Aye: 35%
Nay: 63%
Abstain: 2%

August 15
The Vice President Alfredo Castagone, Labour and Industry Minister Carlos Saavedra Lamas and Finance Minister Leopoldo Noriega announced in the Chamber of Deputies that the Nationalisation Bill will be withdrawn and a new policy implemented. The Conservative leader Jose Marcos de Ballista claimed a triumph and pointed out that the government realistically has no chance of any nationalisation scheme and claims an outstanding victory, “in favour of millions of hardworking people who fear the stamp of Marxist petty officials wrecking their prosperity and livelihoods.” Rumours abound across Cordoba that Eduardo Garcia, leader of the United Workers Party is to break his alliance with the National Democratic Party but this later proves false although as many as a third of NDP deputies are against the UWP policies and plans.

August 16
The four main Unions today held mass demonstrations at the government’s back-down over the Nationalisation Bill in Cordoba and crippled the city for two hours. The President did not sanction police activity fearing a mob revolution owing to their mood but as the day went on union protesters petered out as they saw no sight of victory but they called on Eduardo Garcia to resign and besieged his official residence for three hours (he was elsewhere in the country at the time).

August 20
The latest naval exercises have been completed and have been the biggest since the war. A force comprising both carriers Independencia and Guardabosques escorted by the cruisers Nueve de Julio, Comodore Py and Hipolito Bouchard and the destroyers Hercules and Drummond sailed from Bahia Blanca, around the Malvinas Isles and were designated as the ‘attack force’ Red Force. Blue Force comprising the battleship Libertad and the battlecruiser Patagonia with the cruisers General Belgrano, Capitan Peron and Orca along wit the destroyers Contra Almirante Barbera, Simon Bolivar and Capitan Tejada were the defending force. Almirante Peablo in charge of Red Force made the first attacks with a full strike force of 48 torpedo-bombers and dive-bombers and 12 fighters after a successful aerial reconnaissance. For the loss of 14 aircraft the Libertad received three torpedo and four bomb hits and was declared sunk and the Patagonia suffered two torpedo and three bomb hits which was deemed to cause her serious damage and she limped away at a speed of 18 knots. Both Belgrano class cruisers received two bomb hits but both were still operational. The commander of Blue Force, Almirante Bouchard, spread his force thinner to try and catch the enemy cruisers in a surface action but the following day the Belgrano was sunk by six torpedo-bombers and one destroyer judged crippled by two near-misses from dive-bombers. Three more aircraft were shot down and with the carrier force seriously reduced only scouting missions were carried out and with skilful seamanship the Comodore Py scouted past the Blue Force screen and Force Red was able to get past Blue Force. The destroyers Hercules and Simon Bolivar briefly clashed in an inconclusive battle.
In the second part of the exercises the fleets were re-jigged; Red Force now had Patagonia and Guardabosques and Blue Force Libertad and Independencia. This time Blue Force sailed south and then around the Malvinas while Red Force sailed north to attempt an interception somewhere off the coast of the Province of Chubut. Both carriers put out scouts and Force Red also had the cruisers Comodore Py and Hipolito Bouchard working independently ahead of the main force with Nueve de Julio as close support for the carrier. Independencia’s TBN-7 scouts spotted Comodore Py and a force of six dive-bombers soon sank her for the loss of just one aircraft. Just before dusk a TBN-7 from Guardabosques found Force Blue but no strike could be made until the following day. Almirante Bouchard had altered course in the night and it was mid afternoon before Red Force made contact again and a modest strike force of six torpedo bomber, four dive-bombers and six fighters was largely destroyed by the CAP above Independencia and the heavy AA defences of the fleet. Only one torpedo hit the Libertad and one bomb struck Independencia for the loss of eight aircraft. Blue Force lost two fighters. That night the cruiser Hipolito Bouchard stumbled into the destroyer screen of Force Blue and she sank the Capitan Tejada before the Belgrano and Peron closed in and pummelled the Bouchard at close range. Day three saw carrier strikes by both sides but with little results other than the loss of around a dozen aircraft each and some bomb hits on both capital ships and Guardabosques sustaining a torpedo hit. Without disabling the Independencia Almirante Peablo refused to detach the Patagonia and his cruisers to make a surface attack and on day four another air raid had failed to sink the carrier (although two bombs did hit) and the judges declared Force Blue the winner as they closed onto the coast.

August 23
Shares of Tucan Aircraft rose today when its board confirmed that the Tucan T-17B has entered production with an order for 72 aircraft confirmed so far with a possible further 72 to follow later.
After some refinements the T-18B private venture light bomber has resumed its test programme after flying displays at Talons Over Cordoba.

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Tuesday, February 2nd 2010, 10:48pm

Looks like your carriers gained some hitting power compared to the war. Is there an analysis available showing why?

Or are judges simply over rating plane capabilities?

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Wednesday, February 3rd 2010, 8:56pm

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Originally posted by HoOmAn
Or are judges simply over rating plane capabilities?


Over optimism always happens; I remember one interwar RN exercise where one of the Rs was "hit" by four torpedoes resulting in a speed reduction to 20kts...

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Wednesday, February 3rd 2010, 9:01pm

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Originally posted by Red Admiral

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Originally posted by HoOmAn
Or are judges simply over rating plane capabilities?


Over optimism always happens; I remember one interwar RN exercise where one of the Rs was "hit" by four torpedoes resulting in a speed reduction to 20kts...

All the way down to twenty knots, eh? :D Must have been the drag from all the torpedoes stuck to her side!

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Saturday, February 6th 2010, 1:20pm

Well the carrier arm has had two-three years of practice now, back then they were fresh from Japan with not enough deck training or combat training.

True the capabilities probably are inflated but probably so are the AA kills. Both sides want to show the best and its about talking the talk. Argentina wants SAE, Chile, Brazil and Peru, and by extension Nordmark and Great Britain, that we have a carrier fleet and know how to use it in both attack and defence. Our allies can be chuffed and our potential enemies wary.

Even so the current range of aircraft aren't great with obsolete fighters, good torpedo bombers and fair dive-bombers. Hopefully by 1942 that will change.

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Sunday, February 7th 2010, 5:31pm

September 1
The current Labour and Industry Minister, Carlos Saavedra Lamas, today had his Nobel Peace Prize officially awarded in recognition of his work in bringing the South American War to a close and this has built on his successes in liberal labour laws and founding the International Labour Organisation in 1919.

September 4
The Astillero Nav. shipyard at Puerto Belgrano has announced today that the Chilean Navy has placed an order with the yard for one Project 324B minelayer. The ship will be based on the, now sunken, General San Martin and designs recently offered to the Bulgarian Navy. It is reported that construction will not begin until 1940.

September 12
The latest warship to be built, the improved Indomita Class torpedo boat, Baradero, today officially joined the 2nd Torpedo Destroyer Squadron with its three older sister ships. This formation would play a key part in defending convoys and the coast of Argentina in wartime, as it indeed did during the recent war.

September 19
Today the Chilean airline LAN-Chile and Aeravias Argentinas S.A. announced that they would jointly operate the Santiago-Cordoba-Sao Paulo section of LAN-Chile’s new Lima-Santiago-Cordoba-Sao Paulo service with regular aircraft, probably Royal Condors or FMA I.Ae 7s. LAN-Chile has also ordered six I.Ae.7 airliners with options on six more. This marks another key step in trans-American transportation and Aeravias Argentinas S.A. has also announced that they wish to operate a Bahia Blanca-Miami route if suitable flying boats can be purchased. LAN-Chile seems set to challenge PanAm’s dominance in the region and Aeravias Argentinas S.A. wishes to aid in the opening up of the market.

September 30
The two new river gunboats built at the revived AFNE Paraguay yard, Patria and Pilcomayo today joined their sisters in the Gunboat Support Squadron and this unit now has seven modern gunboats.