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Terrible, French Aircraft Carrier laid down 1947

Displacement:
64,150 t light; 66,004 t standard; 75,138 t normal; 82,445 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
1,109.15 ft / 1,049.87 ft x 124.67 ft x 33.46 ft (normal load)
338.07 m / 320.00 m x 38.00 m x 10.20 m

Armament:
8 - 5.12" / 130 mm guns (4x2 guns), 79.37lbs / 36.00kg shells, 1947 Model
Automatic rapid fire guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, all amidships, all raised mounts - superfiring
16 - 2.24" / 57.0 mm guns (8x2 guns), 6.61lbs / 3.00kg shells, 1947 Model
Automatic rapid fire guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
72 - 0.91" / 23.0 mm guns (36x2 guns), 0.37lbs / 0.17kg shells, 1947 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 767 lbs / 348 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 750

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 2.76" / 70 mm 820.21 ft / 250.00 m 9.84 ft / 3.00 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 120 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead:
2.76" / 70 mm 820.21 ft / 250.00 m 36.09 ft / 11.00 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 0.98" / 25 mm 0.59" / 15 mm 0.59" / 15 mm
2nd: 0.59" / 15 mm 0.20" / 5 mm 0.20" / 5 mm

- Armour deck: 4.72" / 120 mm, Conning tower: 4.72" / 120 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 227,130 shp / 169,439 Kw = 32.00 kts
Range 17,000nm at 18.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 16,441 tons

Complement:
2,268 - 2,949

Cost:
£22.637 million / $90.547 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 97 tons, 0.1 %
Armour: 12,867 tons, 17.1 %
- Belts: 916 tons, 1.2 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 3,018 tons, 4.0 %
- Armament: 29 tons, 0.0 %
- Armour Deck: 8,724 tons, 11.6 %
- Conning Tower: 181 tons, 0.2 %
Machinery: 5,611 tons, 7.5 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 23,574 tons, 31.4 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 10,988 tons, 14.6 %
Miscellaneous weights: 22,000 tons, 29.3 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
137,324 lbs / 62,289 Kg = 2,048.6 x 5.1 " / 130 mm shells or 26.0 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.15
Metacentric height 9.0 ft / 2.7 m
Roll period: 17.4 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 76 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.02
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.58

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has raised forecastle
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.600
Length to Beam Ratio: 8.42 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 37.08 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 46 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 48
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 40.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 26.25 ft / 8.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 39.37 ft / 12.00 m
- Forecastle (30 %): 39.37 ft / 12.00 m (26.25 ft / 8.00 m aft of break)
- Mid (50 %): 26.25 ft / 8.00 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 26.25 ft / 8.00 m
- Stern: 26.25 ft / 8.00 m
- Average freeboard: 30.18 ft / 9.20 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 69.7 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 220.0 %
Waterplane Area: 99,810 Square feet or 9,273 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 160 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 175 lbs/sq ft or 855 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 1.16
- Longitudinal: 0.98
- Overall: 1.02
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

Ships in Class:
- Terrible
- Vigilant

Quoted from "Rooijen10"

Don't forget that Jets will be 2/3 the number of (pre) WW2 planes so you'd be looking at 60-64 jets then.

Quoted from "Hood"

Don't forget that "Jets will be 2/3 the number of (pre) WW2 planes" is not written down in the gentlemen's rules.
We had the same discussion when I was designing my new carriers and Walter said then it was a rule of thumb he felt was viable, i.e. that a jet must require more misc weight than a piston.
While I don't reject the overall validity of that statement overall as jet aircraft grow in size and mass, but I do wonder if that is really applicable to the first generation jets. Is a Grumman Panther or Hawker Sea Hawk more space and weight consuming than a DH Sea Hornet, Grumman Tigercat or a Douglas Skyraider? Does a jet fighter armed with 4x20mm cannon really consume that much fuel and weaponloads than, say, a Skyraider with umpteen combinations of bombs and rockets etc.?

I feel if we are going to go down this route then we need to specify more precisely what size and weight means and to what types we want to apply rules to. Otherwise we'll end up where 18 Panthers = 54 B-25s!

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Don't forget that "Jets will be 2/3 the number of (pre) WW2 planes" is not written down in the gentlemen's rules.

We had the same discussion when I was designing my new carriers and Walter said then it was a rule of thumb he felt was viable, i.e. that a jet must require more misc weight than a piston.

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While I don't reject the overall validity of that statement overall as jet aircraft grow in size and mass, but I do wonder if that is really applicable to the first generation jets. Is a Grumman Panther or Hawker Sea Hawk more space and weight consuming than a DH Sea Hornet, Grumman Tigercat or a Douglas Skyraider? Does a jet fighter armed with 4x20mm cannon really consume that much fuel and weaponloads than, say, a Skyraider with umpteen combinations of bombs and rockets etc.?

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Otherwise we'll end up where 18 Panthers = 54 B-25s

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As to the ship, I have no particular comment other than it is big, but then carriers in SS tend to come out big to get the optimum.

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I do have to wonder how the author of the Springstyle notes arrived at his conclusions

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The ships will probably get angled flight-decks prior to their completion in 1953-55 (so not before the end of game, if we end in 1950).

Quoted from "Rooijen10"

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The ships will probably get angled flight-decks prior to their completion in 1953-55 (so not before the end of game, if we end in 1950).

I was thinking about this for a while. That bit tells me that the design is designed without the angled flight deck but would require an alteration to the design somewhere during construction a bit similar to the rule we had when it came to converting battleships to carriers at the beginning of the sim. Would that still be applied with the current rules (in this case probably a Major Refit to be applied on what has been done so far on the ship before construction can continue)?

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To which battleship conversion rule do you allude? I am not familiar with such.

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I'd presume it'd need some manner of refit. The extent would need to be determined by how angled the flight deck is, and whether it is done with an off-to-the-side sponson, or if (like certain historical ships) there's just some changes to the deck fixtures and the way the lines are painted on the deck.