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Two of these will be built in Japan.

(Note: Walter simmed this one ^_^ )

The main guns come out of the stockpile.

Itbayat (Go Ni Type II-P), Philippines Medium Troop Transport Ship laid down 1928

Displacement:
3,303 t light; 3,439 t standard; 4,069 t normal; 4,557 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
449.92 ft / 430.00 ft x 46.00 ft x 12.00 ft (normal load)
137.14 m / 131.06 m x 14.02 m x 3.66 m

Armament:
4 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns (2x2 guns), 108.00lbs / 48.99kg shells, 1901 Model (Mk VI)
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline, all forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
8 - 2.95" / 75 mm guns in single mounts, 13.00lbs / 5.90kg shells, 1928 Model
Quick firing guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on side, all forward, 6 raised mounts - superfiring
4 - 2.24" / 57.0 mm guns (2x2 guns), 6.00lbs / 2.72kg shells, 1928 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, all amidships, all raised mounts - superfiring
8 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (4x2 guns), 2.00lbs / 0.91kg shells, 1928 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts
12 - 0.98" / 25.0 mm guns (4x3 guns), 0.50lbs / 0.23kg shells, 1928 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, all amidships, all raised mounts - superfiring

Weight of broadside 582 lbs / 264 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 6.00" / 152 mm 151.00 ft / 46.02 m 8.50 ft / 2.59 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Upper: 1.00" / 25 mm 151.00 ft / 46.02 m 10.00 ft / 3.05 m
Main Belt covers 54 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 2.00" / 51 mm 2.00" / 51 mm 2.00" / 51 mm
2nd: 1.00" / 25 mm 1.00" / 25 mm 1.00" / 25 mm
3rd: 1.00" / 25 mm - -
4th: 1.00" / 25 mm - -
5th: 1.00" / 25 mm - -

- Armour deck: 1.00" / 25 mm, Conning tower: 3.00" / 76 mm

Machinery:
Diesel Internal combustion motors,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 9,212 shp / 6,872 Kw = 20.00 kts
Range 8,000nm at 15.00 kts (Bunkerage = 1,134 tons)

Complement:
254 - 331

Cost:
£0.829 million / $3.316 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 73 tons, 1.8 %
Armour: 830 tons, 20.4 %
- Belts: 437 tons, 10.7 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 115 tons, 2.8 %
- Armour Deck: 262 tons, 6.4 %
- Conning Tower: 16 tons, 0.4 %
Machinery: 287 tons, 7.0 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,514 tons, 37.2 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 765 tons, 18.8 %
Miscellaneous weights: 600 tons, 14.7 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
9,577 lbs / 4,355 Kg = 91.2 x 6.0 " / 152 mm shells or 2.3 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.14
Metacentric height 2.0 ft / 0.6 m
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.40
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.50

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.600
Length to Beam Ratio: 9.35 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 20.74 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 42 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 47
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 50.50 degrees
Stern overhang: 3.00 ft / 0.91 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 13.95 ft / 4.25 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 13.95 ft / 4.25 m
- Mid (50 %): 13.95 ft / 4.25 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 13.95 ft / 4.25 m
- Stern: 13.95 ft / 4.25 m
- Average freeboard: 13.95 ft / 4.25 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 54.0 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 148.0 %
Waterplane Area: 14,151 Square feet or 1,315 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 157 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 72 lbs/sq ft or 354 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.99
- Longitudinal: 1.10
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

50.5 degree bow angle was used to 'sim' part of the lifting system hanging over the bow to get
the correct overall length.

250 armed soldiers at 2 tons = 500 tons
1 scoutplane + catapult (25+25 = 50 tons)
landing ramp + ramp lifting system froward (50 tons)

PRS Dalupiri, Filipino minelaying cruiser laid down 1928

Displacement:
4,444 t light; 4,601 t standard; 5,504 t normal; 6,227 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
491.24 ft / 472.44 ft x 50.85 ft x 17.06 ft (normal load)
149.73 m / 144.00 m x 15.50 m x 5.20 m

Armament:
4 - 6.10" / 155 mm guns in single mounts, 120.00lbs / 54.43kg shells, 1928 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
4 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm guns in single mounts, 13.00lbs / 5.90kg shells, 1928 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts
2 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns in single mounts, 2.00lbs / 0.91kg shells, 1928 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on side, all aft, all raised mounts
6 - 0.98" / 25.0 mm guns (2x3 guns), 0.57lbs / 0.26kg shells, 1928 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, all amidships
8 - 0.54" / 13.7 mm guns (4x2 guns), 0.11lbs / 0.05kg shells, 1928 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts

Weight of broadside 540 lbs / 245 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150

2 - 24.0" / 610 mm above water torpedoes

Mines @ 1,000lbs each: 425
or Depth Charges @ 550lbs each: 800

Armour:
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 1.97" / 50 mm 1.18" / 30 mm 1.97" / 50 mm
2nd: 0.98" / 25 mm 0.59" / 15 mm 0.79" / 20 mm
3rd: 0.79" / 20 mm - -
4th: 0.59" / 15 mm - -

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 60,122 shp / 44,851 Kw = 31.50 kts
Range 10,000nm at 15.00 kts (Bunkerage = 1,626 tons)

Complement:
319 - 415

Cost:
£1.800 million / $7.201 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 64 tons, 1.2 %
Armour: 39 tons, 0.7 %
- Belts: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 39 tons, 0.7 %
- Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0.0 %
Machinery: 1,872 tons, 34.0 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 2,168 tons, 39.4 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,060 tons, 19.3 %
Miscellaneous weights: 300 tons, 5.5 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
4,801 lbs / 2,178 Kg = 42.3 x 6.1 " / 155 mm shells or 0.9 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.17
Metacentric height 2.4 ft / 0.7 m
Roll period: 13.7 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.31
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.07

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has low quarterdeck
Block coefficient: 0.470
Length to Beam Ratio: 9.29 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 21.74 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 61 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 65
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 20.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 9.84 ft / 3.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 24.61 ft / 7.50 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 19.03 ft / 5.80 m
- Mid (50 %): 19.03 ft / 5.80 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 9.84 ft / 3.00 m (19.03 ft / 5.80 m before break)
- Stern: 9.84 ft / 3.00 m
- Average freeboard: 18.10 ft / 5.52 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 125.3 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 163.8 %
Waterplane Area: 15,585 Square feet or 1,448 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 120 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 83 lbs/sq ft or 403 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.93
- Longitudinal: 1.87
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

PRS Pacifica, Filipino Polar Exploration Ship, laid down 1928

Displacement:
8,232 t light; 8,474 t standard; 10,766 t normal; 12,600 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
498.69 ft / 498.69 ft x 88.58 ft x 13.12 ft (normal load)
152.00 m / 152.00 m x 27.00 m x 4.00 m

Armament:
2 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns (1x2 guns), 108.00lbs / 48.99kg shells, 1921 Model
Quick firing guns in a turret (on a barbette)
on centreline aft
2 - 3.94" / 100 mm guns in single mounts, 32.00lbs / 14.51kg shells, 1928 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, all forward
6 - 2.24" / 57.0 mm guns in single mounts, 6.00lbs / 2.72kg shells, 1928 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
3 - 0.98" / 25.0 mm guns (1x3 guns), 0.57lbs / 0.26kg shells, 1928 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in a deck mount
on centreline aft, all raised guns - superfiring
8 - 0.54" / 13.7 mm guns in single mounts, 0.11lbs / 0.05kg shells, 1928 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts

Weight of broadside 319 lbs / 145 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 135

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 2.95" / 75 mm 328.08 ft / 100.00 m 11.29 ft / 3.44 m
Ends: 3.94" / 100 mm 170.60 ft / 52.00 m 11.29 ft / 3.44 m
Main Belt covers 101 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead:
1.97" / 50 mm 498.69 ft / 152.00 m 12.60 ft / 3.84 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 4.00" / 102 mm 2.00" / 51 mm 1.97" / 50 mm
2nd: 1.18" / 30 mm - 0.79" / 20 mm
3rd: 0.98" / 25 mm - -
4th: 0.59" / 15 mm - -

- Conning tower: 2.56" / 65 mm

Machinery:
Diesel Internal combustion generators,
Electric motors, 4 shafts, 18,160 shp / 13,547 Kw = 20.00 kts
Range 15,000nm at 15.00 kts (Bunkerage = 4,126 tons)

Complement:
528 - 687

Cost:
£1.528 million / $6.111 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 39 tons, 0.4 %
Armour: 1,302 tons, 12.1 %
- Belts: 766 tons, 7.1 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 458 tons, 4.3 %
- Armament: 51 tons, 0.5 %
- Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Conning Tower: 27 tons, 0.2 %
Machinery: 565 tons, 5.3 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 5,325 tons, 49.5 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,534 tons, 23.5 %
Miscellaneous weights: 1,000 tons, 9.3 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
40,697 lbs / 18,460 Kg = 376.8 x 6.0 " / 152 mm shells or 10.5 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.53
Metacentric height 8.6 ft / 2.6 m
Roll period: 12.7 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.02
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.29

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.650
Length to Beam Ratio: 5.63 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 22.33 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 43 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 54
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 25.43 ft / 7.75 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 17.22 ft / 5.25 m
- Mid (50 %): 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
- Stern: 16.40 ft / 5.00 m
- Average freeboard: 17.35 ft / 5.29 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 40.7 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 202.6 %
Waterplane Area: 33,841 Square feet or 3,144 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 287 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 131 lbs/sq ft or 640 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 1.44
- Longitudinal: 1.45
- Overall: 1.44
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

50t for winterization
125t for 4 aircraft + one catapult
825t for scientific crew + equipment

Hmmm... The Troop Transport reminds me of something. Would be nice to see this one battle it out with a RSAN LCDS.....

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Hmmm... The Troop Transport reminds me of something.

Yes, one of my designs.

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Would be nice to see this one battle it out with a RSAN LCDS.....

The Go ni class troop transports aren't made for combat with another ship. It can bite, yes, but I think your LSD... I mean LCDS, would have the upper hand. The guns are meant to shell the shore (either beach or harbor).

Acctually the Go-ni design worry's me, not for my own safety as an enemy persay but the safety of its passengers, all those guns means potentially a very cumbustable ride to shore under heavy coastal battery fire.

I have a very different idea for Atlantian landing efforts.

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all those guns means potentially a very cumbustable ride to shore under heavy coastal battery fire.

Who says that being part of the landing crew is a safe job? The jobs has indeed a certain risk of the explosive kind...
... but I think that any hit on a landing ship of such size by heavy coastal battery fire is extremely bad for the health of those aboard anyway, with or without those guns.

[SIZE=3]Surgeon General's Warning:[/SIZE] Being a Marine may be hazardous to your health.
:-)

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Originally posted by Rooijen10

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all those guns means potentially a very cumbustable ride to shore under heavy coastal battery fire.

Who says that being part of the landing crew is a safe job? The jobs has indeed a certain risk of the explosive kind...
... but I think that any hit on a landing ship of such size by heavy coastal battery fire is extremely bad for the health of those aboard anyway, with or without those guns.

Thats why personally I wouldn't give her guns, give her more troops to ship ashore, same danger of being hit, bigger rewards on the beach when she succeeds reaching it.

I give you points for a unique landing craft doctrine however.

With a draft of 12 feet, the troops on that transport will have a bit of a swim to get to shore.

Pacifica on the other hand will perform her mission admirably.

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I give you points for a unique landing craft doctrine however.

It's not a real landing craft like what you have planned. As Admiral K pointed out, the draft is a real problem to get close to shore, unless we are dealing with a favorable coast (like during the exercise) which allows the ship to come pretty close and drop the men in shallow water (<1.5m).
Also remember that the Ninja can walk on water.
... though it is more likely to be used for easier access to actual landing crafts in the water.
But to be honest, I think the system would work a lot better in a harbor.