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I think 1.00 stability is actually verbotten in the Gentleman's Rules

That's actually due to a fault in Springsharp 1 I believe (not sure about that). There was an error there that at one point with a 1.00 stability, the number of torpedo hits a ship could take doubled. The error does not exist in the current version of SS, but it is still a bad idea to have a ship with so low a stability (from a survivability POV).

ya like I said i was just trying to be true to the original

Here's another idea for you. Austria-Hungary worked on, but never built, some battlecruiser designs. Here's a ship with a rebuilt 30s hull that gets you the same armor and weaponry of Tegetthoff... but gives you a 27-knot speed. I updated the AA, too, and gave her bulges...

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Erzherzog Ferdinand Max, Austro-Hungarian Battleship laid down 1910 (Engine 1933)

Displacement:
22,728 t light; 24,211 t standard; 24,689 t normal; 25,071 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
680.53 ft / 669.29 ft x 98.43 ft x 30.51 ft (normal load)
207.43 m / 204.00 m x 30.00 m x 9.30 m

Armament:
12 - 12.00" / 305 mm guns (4x3 guns), 864.00lbs / 391.90kg shells, 1910 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
12 - 5.91" / 150 mm guns in single mounts, 102.98lbs / 46.71kg shells, 1910 Model
Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
on side, all amidships
16 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (4x4 guns), 1.95lbs / 0.89kg shells, 1910 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
28 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns (7x4 guns), 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1910 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 11,642 lbs / 5,281 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150
4 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 11.0" / 279 mm 435.04 ft / 132.60 m 11.36 ft / 3.46 m
Ends: 6.00" / 152 mm 234.23 ft / 71.39 m 11.36 ft / 3.46 m
Upper: 6.00" / 152 mm 435.04 ft / 132.60 m 8.00 ft / 2.44 m
Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead:
0.08" / 2 mm 435.04 ft / 132.60 m 26.54 ft / 8.09 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 11.0" / 279 mm 7.00" / 178 mm 9.00" / 229 mm
2nd: 4.70" / 119 mm - -

- Armour deck: 2.00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 11.00" / 279 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Direct drive, 4 shafts, 72,904 shp / 54,386 Kw = 27.00 kts
Range 4,200nm at 10.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 860 tons

Complement:
984 - 1,280

Cost:
£2.315 million / $9.261 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 1,455 tons, 5.9 %
Armour: 7,839 tons, 31.7 %
- Belts: 3,815 tons, 15.5 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 34 tons, 0.1 %
- Armament: 2,259 tons, 9.1 %
- Armour Deck: 1,530 tons, 6.2 %
- Conning Tower: 201 tons, 0.8 %
Machinery: 2,124 tons, 8.6 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 11,185 tons, 45.3 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,961 tons, 7.9 %
Miscellaneous weights: 125 tons, 0.5 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
33,888 lbs / 15,372 Kg = 39.2 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 4.5 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.11
Metacentric height 6.0 ft / 1.8 m
Roll period: 16.9 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 52 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.52
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.27

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.430
Length to Beam Ratio: 6.80 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 25.87 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 47 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 41
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 9.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 6.56 ft / 2.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 29.53 ft / 9.00 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 19.69 ft / 6.00 m
- Mid (50 %): 19.69 ft / 6.00 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 19.69 ft / 6.00 m
- Stern: 19.69 ft / 6.00 m
- Average freeboard: 20.47 ft / 6.24 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 93.5 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 151.0 %
Waterplane Area: 41,364 Square feet or 3,843 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 104 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 190 lbs/sq ft or 928 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.95
- Longitudinal: 1.59
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

now thats a nice ship. (to bad I dont have her =P )

BC looks a bit low...

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now thats a nice ship. (to bad I dont have her =P )

You could always build her as a new ship.

This is more my Style of ship




Italia-BB-1911, Italia Battle Ship laid down 1911 (Engine 1909)

Displacement:
24,478 t light; 25,699 t standard; 27,379 t normal; 28,723 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
638.00 ft / 625.00 ft x 97.00 ft x 29.60 ft (normal load)
194.46 m / 190.50 m x 29.57 m x 9.02 m

Armament:
6 - 14.00" / 356 mm guns (3x2 guns), 1,372.00lbs / 622.33kg shells, 1911 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
2 - 14.00" / 356 mm guns (1x2 guns), 1,372.00lbs / 622.33kg shells, 1911 Model
Breech loading guns in a turret (on a barbette)
on centreline amidships
12 - 5.00" / 127 mm guns in single mounts, 62.50lbs / 28.35kg shells, 1911 Model
Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
on side, evenly spread
8 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
2 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm guns (1x2 guns), 13.50lbs / 6.12kg shells, 1911 Model
Quick firing guns in a deck mount with hoist
on centreline amidships, all raised guns - superfiring
20 - 0.75" / 19.1 mm guns in single mounts, 0.21lbs / 0.10kg shells, 1911 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 11,757 lbs / 5,333 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 83

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 12.0" / 305 mm 351.00 ft / 106.98 m 16.00 ft / 4.88 m
Ends: 6.00" / 152 mm 274.00 ft / 83.52 m 12.00 ft / 3.66 m
Upper: 8.00" / 203 mm 351.00 ft / 106.98 m 14.00 ft / 4.27 m
Main Belt covers 86 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead:
1.50" / 38 mm 351.00 ft / 106.98 m 26.84 ft / 8.18 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 13.0" / 330 mm 8.00" / 203 mm 11.0" / 279 mm
2nd: 13.0" / 330 mm 8.00" / 203 mm 11.0" / 279 mm
3rd: 6.00" / 152 mm 3.00" / 76 mm -
4th: 1.00" / 25 mm 1.00" / 25 mm -

- Armour deck: 2.00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 12.00" / 305 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Electric motors, 4 shafts, 48,000 shp / 35,808 Kw = 23.42 kts
Range 6,600nm at 12.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 3,024 tons

Complement:
1,063 - 1,383

Cost:
£2.397 million / $9.586 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 1,470 tons, 5.4 %
Armour: 10,278 tons, 37.5 %
- Belts: 5,537 tons, 20.2 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 523 tons, 1.9 %
- Armament: 2,442 tons, 8.9 %
- Armour Deck: 1,542 tons, 5.6 %
- Conning Tower: 235 tons, 0.9 %
Machinery: 2,181 tons, 8.0 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 10,199 tons, 37.3 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,901 tons, 10.6 %
Miscellaneous weights: 350 tons, 1.3 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
39,788 lbs / 18,047 Kg = 29.0 x 14.0 " / 356 mm shells or 6.3 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.11
Metacentric height 5.6 ft / 1.7 m
Roll period: 17.2 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.60
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.38

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak
Block coefficient: 0.534
Length to Beam Ratio: 6.44 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 25.00 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 46 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 51
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 26.56 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 26.00 ft / 7.92 m
- Forecastle (22 %): 22.00 ft / 6.71 m
- Mid (67 %): 22.00 ft / 6.71 m (13.00 ft / 3.96 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (22 %): 13.00 ft / 3.96 m
- Stern: 13.00 ft / 3.96 m
- Average freeboard: 19.38 ft / 5.91 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 85.8 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 151.1 %
Waterplane Area: 41,681 Square feet or 3,872 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 102 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 176 lbs/sq ft or 860 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.98
- Longitudinal: 1.45
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Eh, really, she'd be a bit outdated even with a reconstruction. The Italians and Greeks both have faster, better-armoured, and bigger-gun battleships which could stomp on her, even if you can fight off destroyers and such...

Here's what I'd go for instead.

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Slovakia, Kingdom of Yugoslavia Coastal Battleship laid down 1936

Displacement:
22,951 t light; 24,464 t standard; 25,396 t normal; 26,141 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
649.10 ft / 640.00 ft x 89.00 ft (Bulges 94.00 ft) x 28.00 ft (normal load)
197.85 m / 195.07 m x 27.13 m (Bulges 28.65 m) x 8.53 m

Armament:
6 - 15.00" / 381 mm guns (3x2 guns), 1,687.50lbs / 765.44kg shells, 1936 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, majority aft, 1 raised mount aft - superfiring
8 - 7.00" / 178 mm guns (4x2 guns), 171.50lbs / 77.79kg shells, 1936 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on side, all amidships
12 - 3.46" / 88.0 mm guns (6x2 guns), 20.79lbs / 9.43kg shells, 1936 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, evenly spread
12 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (3x4 guns), 1.95lbs / 0.89kg shells, 1936 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
12 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns (3x4 guns), 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1936 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 11,773 lbs / 5,340 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 9.00" / 229 mm 390.00 ft / 118.87 m 11.32 ft / 3.45 m
Ends: 4.00" / 102 mm 209.98 ft / 64.00 m 11.32 ft / 3.45 m
40.02 ft / 12.20 m Unarmoured ends
Upper: 5.00" / 127 mm 390.00 ft / 118.87 m 8.00 ft / 2.44 m
Main Belt covers 94 % of normal length
Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

- Torpedo Bulkhead and Bulges:
2.00" / 51 mm 390.00 ft / 118.87 m 25.70 ft / 7.83 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 9.00" / 229 mm 6.00" / 152 mm 7.50" / 191 mm
2nd: 6.00" / 152 mm 3.50" / 89 mm 5.00" / 127 mm

- Armour deck: 4.00" / 102 mm, Conning tower: 10.00" / 254 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 77,393 shp / 57,735 Kw = 28.00 kts
Range 5,000nm at 14.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1,677 tons

Complement:
1,005 - 1,307

Cost:
£12.356 million / $49.426 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 1,472 tons, 5.8 %
Armour: 8,508 tons, 33.5 %
- Belts: 2,764 tons, 10.9 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 742 tons, 2.9 %
- Armament: 1,818 tons, 7.2 %
- Armour Deck: 2,998 tons, 11.8 %
- Conning Tower: 186 tons, 0.7 %
Machinery: 2,172 tons, 8.6 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 10,700 tons, 42.1 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,445 tons, 9.6 %
Miscellaneous weights: 100 tons, 0.4 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
35,735 lbs / 16,209 Kg = 21.2 x 15.0 " / 381 mm shells or 5.8 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.12
Metacentric height 5.2 ft / 1.6 m
Roll period: 17.3 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 52 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.62
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.10

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.528
Length to Beam Ratio: 6.81 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 29.72 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 47
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 18.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 28.00 ft / 8.53 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 21.00 ft / 6.40 m
- Mid (50 %): 21.00 ft / 6.40 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 21.00 ft / 6.40 m
- Stern: 21.00 ft / 6.40 m
- Average freeboard: 21.56 ft / 6.57 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 94.8 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 161.2 %
Waterplane Area: 40,511 Square feet or 3,764 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 103 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 184 lbs/sq ft or 898 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.95
- Longitudinal: 1.62
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

Let me explain my rather odd choices here. Yugoslavia will not be fighting at a numeric advantage, nor can she defeat a Greek or Italian battleship. She CAN however fight cruisers of both nations very well.

The 6x15", in three twin turrets, engages the primary target... say one of the Italian Caesar I-class Armoured Cruisers. It's a match of 6x15" versus 6x12", and while both sides will be unhappy the Italians will want to back away first.

Meanwhile, this ship is using her rather overpowered secondaries to shoot at another opponent... say, Zara wants to play in the game, too. 4x7" per side isn't going to win you the battle, but it will at least prevent the extra cruiser from being unengaged.

Or you could spend your money better on torpedo planes and coastal submarines

torpedo planes, dive bombers... shhhhh but a Nation can dream ^.^ (and in 1911 under the Nverse rules she is a very powerfull ship)

oh and i think I have somthing like that on order from Nordmark.

Not to mention that

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Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

isn't a good idea.

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Originally posted by Hrolf Hakonson
Not to mention that

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Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

isn't a good idea.

lol for a sec i thought you were refering to Marius and i was going to be like WHAT

The ship presented is basically an enlarged Regele class small battleships currently in the Romanian encyclopedia. I noticed that in the original ships but I was going to tie it to the storyline by forcing the Italians to reduce the cost of the slip due to that engineering mistake will increase the overall cost of the ship. Also an excuse to create some friction in the current government. Corruption in the Naval Ministry perhaps?

http://88.198.26.117/kunden/oponn/wbblit…58515#post58515
Just noticed:

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- Torpedo Bulkhead:
0.08" / 2 mm 435.04 ft / 132.60 m 26.54 ft / 8.09 m

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Originally posted by Hrolf Hakonson
Not to mention that

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Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

isn't a good idea.

Blargh. I always forget to check that! I basically select the default armor in SS2 and only catch it in the report.

This should be better:

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Slovakia, Kingdom of Yugoslavia Coastal Battleship laid down 1936

Displacement:
22,951 t light; 24,464 t standard; 25,396 t normal; 26,141 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
649.10 ft / 640.00 ft x 89.00 ft (Bulges 94.00 ft) x 28.00 ft (normal load)
197.85 m / 195.07 m x 27.13 m (Bulges 28.65 m) x 8.53 m

Armament:
6 - 15.00" / 381 mm guns (3x2 guns), 1,687.50lbs / 765.44kg shells, 1936 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, majority aft, 1 raised mount aft - superfiring
8 - 7.00" / 178 mm guns (4x2 guns), 171.50lbs / 77.79kg shells, 1936 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on side, all amidships
12 - 3.46" / 88.0 mm guns (6x2 guns), 20.79lbs / 9.43kg shells, 1936 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, evenly spread
12 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (3x4 guns), 1.95lbs / 0.89kg shells, 1936 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
12 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns (3x4 guns), 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1936 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 11,773 lbs / 5,340 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 9.00" / 229 mm 410.00 ft / 124.97 m 11.32 ft / 3.45 m
Ends: 4.00" / 102 mm 189.98 ft / 57.91 m 11.32 ft / 3.45 m
40.02 ft / 12.20 m Unarmoured ends
Upper: 5.00" / 127 mm 390.00 ft / 118.87 m 8.00 ft / 2.44 m
Main Belt covers 99 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead and Bulges:
2.00" / 51 mm 390.00 ft / 118.87 m 25.70 ft / 7.83 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 9.00" / 229 mm 6.00" / 152 mm 7.50" / 191 mm
2nd: 6.00" / 152 mm 3.50" / 89 mm 5.00" / 127 mm

- Armour deck: 4.00" / 102 mm, Conning tower: 10.00" / 254 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 77,393 shp / 57,735 Kw = 28.00 kts
Range 5,000nm at 14.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1,677 tons

Complement:
1,005 - 1,307

Cost:
£12.356 million / $49.426 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 1,472 tons, 5.8 %
Armour: 8,544 tons, 33.6 %
- Belts: 2,801 tons, 11.0 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 742 tons, 2.9 %
- Armament: 1,818 tons, 7.2 %
- Armour Deck: 2,998 tons, 11.8 %
- Conning Tower: 186 tons, 0.7 %
Machinery: 2,172 tons, 8.6 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 10,664 tons, 42.0 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,445 tons, 9.6 %
Miscellaneous weights: 100 tons, 0.4 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
35,626 lbs / 16,160 Kg = 21.1 x 15.0 " / 381 mm shells or 5.8 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.12
Metacentric height 5.2 ft / 1.6 m
Roll period: 17.3 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 52 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.62
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.11

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.528
Length to Beam Ratio: 6.81 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 29.72 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 47
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 18.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 28.00 ft / 8.53 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 21.00 ft / 6.40 m
- Mid (50 %): 21.00 ft / 6.40 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 21.00 ft / 6.40 m
- Stern: 21.00 ft / 6.40 m
- Average freeboard: 21.56 ft / 6.57 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 94.8 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 161.2 %
Waterplane Area: 40,511 Square feet or 3,764 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 103 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 183 lbs/sq ft or 895 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.94
- Longitudinal: 1.62
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

A nitpick, why is it called Slovakia (part of Czechoslovakia)?
Slavonia (Eastern Croatia) would be a better name

*Shrugs*

Because I liked the sound of it?