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Sunday, June 8th 2008, 10:19pm

1937 bb for evaluation/inspiration

this a semi fast bb design i whipped up while i was bored for your evaluation/inspiration please point out any major flaws you see

Enter ship name, Enter country Battleship laid down 1937

Displacement:
53,028 t light; 55,393 t standard; 64,548 t normal; 71,873 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(1,009.84 ft / 997.00 ft) x 91.00 ft x (37.00 / 40.61 ft)
(307.80 m / 303.89 m) x 27.74 m x (11.28 / 12.38 m)

Armament:
8 - 14.00" / 356 mm 50.0 cal guns - 1,452.45lbs / 658.82kg shells, 150 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1937 Model
1 x Quad mount on centreline, aft deck aft
1 x Quad mount on centreline, forward deck forward
16 - 4.70" / 119 mm 50.0 cal guns - 54.96lbs / 24.93kg shells, 200 per gun
Dual purpose guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1937 Model
4 x Twin mounts on sides, aft deck forward
4 x Twin mounts on sides, forward deck aft
32 - 1.20" / 30.5 mm 45.0 cal guns - 0.87lbs / 0.40kg shells, 400 per gun
Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1937 Model
4 x Quad mounts on sides, aft deck aft
4 x Quad mounts on sides, forward deck forward
22 - 0.60" / 15.2 mm 45.0 cal guns - 0.11lbs / 0.05kg shells, 1,000 per gun
Machine guns in deck mounts, 1937 Model
11 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 12,529 lbs / 5,683 kg

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 10.0" / 254 mm 833.00 ft / 253.90 m 14.00 ft / 4.27 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Upper: 8.00" / 203 mm 833.00 ft / 253.90 m 10.00 ft / 3.05 m
Main Belt covers 129 % of normal length
Main Belt inclined 7.00 degrees (positive = in)

- Torpedo Bulkhead - Strengthened structural bulkheads:
7.00" / 178 mm 833.00 ft / 253.90 m 10.00 ft / 3.05 m
Beam between torpedo bulkheads 87.00 ft / 26.52 m

- Hull void:
0.00" / 0 mm 0.00 ft / 0.00 m 0.00 ft / 0.00 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 17.0" / 432 mm 12.0" / 305 mm 14.0" / 356 mm
2nd: 6.00" / 152 mm 4.00" / 102 mm 6.00" / 152 mm

- Armoured deck - multiple decks:
For and Aft decks: 8.00" / 203 mm
Forecastle: 8.00" / 203 mm Quarter deck: 8.00" / 203 mm

- Conning towers: Forward 13.00" / 330 mm, Aft 13.00" / 330 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 298,884 shp / 222,967 Kw = 34.16 kts
Range 13,000nm at 20.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 16,481 tons

Complement:
2,024 - 2,632

Cost:
£23.541 million / $94.162 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 2,427 tons, 3.8 %
- Guns: 2,427 tons, 3.8 %
Armour: 23,800 tons, 36.9 %
- Belts: 7,281 tons, 11.3 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 2,157 tons, 3.3 %
- Armament: 2,868 tons, 4.4 %
- Armour Deck: 10,593 tons, 16.4 %
- Conning Towers: 901 tons, 1.4 %
Machinery: 8,284 tons, 12.8 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 17,818 tons, 27.6 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 11,520 tons, 17.8 %
Miscellaneous weights: 700 tons, 1.1 %
- Hull below water: 100 tons
- Hull void weights: 100 tons
- Hull above water: 100 tons
- On freeboard deck: 300 tons
- Above deck: 100 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
108,380 lbs / 49,160 Kg = 79.0 x 14.0 " / 356 mm shells or 14.5 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.03
Metacentric height 4.6 ft / 1.4 m
Roll period: 17.8 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 73 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.99
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.59

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck,
a straight bulbous bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.673 / 0.683
Length to Beam Ratio: 10.96 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 31.58 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 51 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 46
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 15.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 4.00 ft / 1.22 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 19.00 %, 33.00 ft / 10.06 m, 33.00 ft / 10.06 m
- Forward deck: 36.00 %, 33.00 ft / 10.06 m, 33.00 ft / 10.06 m
- Aft deck: 33.00 %, 33.00 ft / 10.06 m, 33.00 ft / 10.06 m
- Quarter deck: 12.00 %, 33.00 ft / 10.06 m, 33.00 ft / 10.06 m
- Average freeboard: 33.00 ft / 10.06 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 64.3 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 220.4 %
Waterplane Area: 70,975 Square feet or 6,594 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 121 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 175 lbs/sq ft or 856 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.96
- Longitudinal: 1.37
- Overall: 1.00
Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Excellent accommodation and workspace room
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

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Sunday, June 8th 2008, 10:37pm

Interesting. My first comment - she's very heavy for the guns she carries. Second, the belt is only ten inches - we're starting to see that belt level on our light 20,000 ton-ish battlecruisers. Third, torpedo protection is VERY heavy: most battleships in WW are using 3" of protection, tops. Fourth, the beam is narrow, so your block coefficient is now very high, and your draft is very deep. Nothing Panamax about her.

Speed is good, which is the point where you add most of the "extra" tonnage.

You say she's a Semi-fast BB; she's really not. She's more a heavy battlecruiser, and she goes faster than most wesworld destroyers, faster than many PT boats, even.

If you want a fast battleship, cut her max speed to 28 knots, and her cruise speed to 15 knots. Increase the beam and shorten the length to, say, 800'. Switch to 15" or 16" guns, make the belt and turrets 15" or so, cut the torpedo armor down to 3", trim all excess weight, and see what you have.

If you want a fast battlecruiser, trim the TDS down to 2.5", the deck armor down to 5", and bring the cruise speed down to 15 knots.

Turkey and India have 28-knot battleships with similar armament and somewhat comparable armour, all on about half this vessel's tonnage.

goggles2

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Sunday, June 8th 2008, 10:48pm

hmmm yea it kinda ballooned from its oringinal dimensions......

the whole idea behind this was to make the fastest bb possible which i guess it suceeded abliet with huge dead space as u pointd out

oh well live and learn :D

This post has been edited 1 times, last edit by "goggles2" (Jun 8th 2008, 10:50pm)


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Sunday, June 8th 2008, 10:59pm

If you still want the speed, I'd suggest bumping the TDS down to 2.5"s, and the deck down to 6". That alone will possibly trim off ten thousand tons. Big ships aren't my forte - I'm a little ship designer, really.

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Sunday, June 8th 2008, 11:21pm

I agree, I'd also bump up the main belt to at least 12" and dump 2 knots speed. 32 knots is still very respectable for a battleship.

goggles2

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Monday, June 9th 2008, 12:26am

did some figuring and....

reduced armor in some places

18" main armament now

12" belt

now classed as a battlecruiser

reduced speed a few knots

reduced draft and length increased beam

much better i think overall :)

Enter ship name, Enter country Battlecruiser laid down 1937

Displacement:
51,165 t light; 54,467 t standard; 56,949 t normal; 58,934 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(872.04 ft / 860.00 ft) x 111.00 ft x (30.00 / 30.91 ft)
(265.80 m / 262.13 m) x 33.83 m x (9.14 / 9.42 m)

Armament:
8 - 18.00" / 457 mm 50.0 cal guns - 3,086.99lbs / 1,400.24kg shells, 150 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1937 Model
1 x Quad mount on centreline, aft deck aft
1 x Quad mount on centreline, forward deck forward
16 - 4.70" / 119 mm 50.0 cal guns - 54.96lbs / 24.93kg shells, 200 per gun
Dual purpose guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1937 Model
4 x Twin mounts on sides, aft deck forward
4 x Twin mounts on sides, forward deck aft
32 - 1.20" / 30.5 mm 45.0 cal guns - 0.86lbs / 0.39kg shells, 400 per gun
Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1937 Model
4 x Quad mounts on sides, aft deck aft
4 x Quad mounts on sides, forward deck forward
22 - 0.60" / 15.2 mm 45.0 cal guns - 0.11lbs / 0.05kg shells, 1,000 per gun
Machine guns in deck mounts, 1937 Model
11 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 25,605 lbs / 11,614 kg

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 12.0" / 305 mm 860.00 ft / 262.13 m 10.00 ft / 3.05 m
Upper: 8.00" / 203 mm 860.00 ft / 262.13 m 6.00 ft / 1.83 m
Main Belt covers 154 % of normal length
Main Belt inclined 7.00 degrees (positive = in)

- Torpedo Bulkhead - Strengthened structural bulkheads:
2.50" / 64 mm 860.00 ft / 262.13 m 7.00 ft / 2.13 m
Beam between torpedo bulkheads 111.00 ft / 33.83 m

- Hull void:
0.00" / 0 mm 0.00 ft / 0.00 m 0.00 ft / 0.00 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 17.0" / 432 mm 12.0" / 305 mm 14.0" / 356 mm
2nd: 5.50" / 140 mm 4.00" / 102 mm 5.00" / 127 mm

- Armoured deck - multiple decks:
For and Aft decks: 7.00" / 178 mm
Forecastle: 7.00" / 178 mm Quarter deck: 7.00" / 178 mm

- Conning towers: Forward 10.50" / 267 mm, Aft 10.50" / 267 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 145,233 shp / 108,344 Kw = 28.11 kts
Range 9,000nm at 13.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 4,467 tons

Complement:
1,843 - 2,396

Cost:
£27.310 million / $109.241 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 4,478 tons, 7.9 %
- Guns: 4,478 tons, 7.9 %
Armour: 20,287 tons, 35.6 %
- Belts: 5,346 tons, 9.4 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 557 tons, 1.0 %
- Armament: 3,759 tons, 6.6 %
- Armour Deck: 9,956 tons, 17.5 %
- Conning Towers: 670 tons, 1.2 %
Machinery: 4,025 tons, 7.1 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 21,675 tons, 38.1 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 5,784 tons, 10.2 %
Miscellaneous weights: 700 tons, 1.2 %
- Hull below water: 100 tons
- Hull void weights: 100 tons
- Hull above water: 100 tons
- On freeboard deck: 300 tons
- Above deck: 100 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
97,830 lbs / 44,375 Kg = 33.5 x 18.0 " / 457 mm shells or 12.0 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.15
Metacentric height 7.6 ft / 2.3 m
Roll period: 16.9 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 78 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.98
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.59

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck,
a straight bulbous bow and a cruiser stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.696 / 0.699
Length to Beam Ratio: 7.75 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 29.33 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 48 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 49
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 15.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 4.00 ft / 1.22 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 19.00 %, 30.00 ft / 9.14 m, 30.00 ft / 9.14 m
- Forward deck: 36.00 %, 30.00 ft / 9.14 m, 30.00 ft / 9.14 m
- Aft deck: 33.00 %, 30.00 ft / 9.14 m, 30.00 ft / 9.14 m
- Quarter deck: 12.00 %, 30.00 ft / 9.14 m, 30.00 ft / 9.14 m
- Average freeboard: 30.00 ft / 9.14 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 66.9 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 236.4 %
Waterplane Area: 76,240 Square feet or 7,083 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 105 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 222 lbs/sq ft or 1,082 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.95
- Longitudinal: 1.51
- Overall: 1.00
Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Excellent accommodation and workspace room
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather