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Wednesday, November 26th 2008, 5:36am

Romania 1937

For 1937, the Romanian Navy is planning on continuing its submarine program, with 6 additional Perla Class coastal submarines laid down. This brings Romania up to its treaty quota (6,250 tons).

As well, two destroyers of an improved vr 30 type, called vr 32 are to be laid down, (see below for SS) an additional two more of this class will be laid down once older less useable ships are scrapped to free up tonnage under the Naval Limitations Treaty.

Romania is also looking for someone to build torpedo boats, 8 of them around 800 tons or 10 of around 600 tons. Anyone interested in this contract, please submit designs below. As well, Romania would be interested in ordering 25 MTB's. Should these prove satisfactory, then the winner of this contract can expect continual orders of 25 MTB's for an additional 7 years. Anyone interested in pursuing this contract can submit designs below.

In Q2, Romania will be beginning the Cetetea Alba's sister ship, and is in need of a Class 2 Drydock or Slip to build the ship in. As well, a torpedo cruiser similar to the Polish Conrad is to be laid down in Q4, and Romania will need a Class 2 Drydock or slip for that as well, due to the fact that the Class 2 Drydock Romania currently has will begin upgrading to a Class 3.

vr 32, Romania Destroyer laid down 1937

Displacement:
2,370 t light; 2,512 t standard; 2,777 t normal; 2,988 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
411.37 ft / 393.70 ft x 42.65 ft x 13.12 ft (normal load)
125.38 m / 120.00 m x 13.00 m x 4.00 m

Armament:
10 - 5.31" / 135 mm guns (5x2 guns), 75.07lbs / 34.05kg shells, 1937 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline ends, majority forward, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
8 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (4x2 guns), 1.95lbs / 0.89kg shells, 1937 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on centreline, evenly spread, all raised mounts
12 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns (6x2 guns), 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1937 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 769 lbs / 349 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 200
12 - 23.6" / 600 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 1.97" / 50 mm 1.97" / 50 mm -
2nd: 0.79" / 20 mm 0.79" / 20 mm -
3rd: 0.39" / 10 mm - -

- Conning tower: 1.97" / 50 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 45,575 shp / 33,999 Kw = 33.50 kts
Range 5,000nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 476 tons

Complement:
190 - 248

Cost:
£1.765 million / $7.060 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 96 tons, 3.5 %
Armour: 88 tons, 3.2 %
- Belts: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 80 tons, 2.9 %
- Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Conning Tower: 8 tons, 0.3 %
Machinery: 1,142 tons, 41.1 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 943 tons, 34.0 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 407 tons, 14.7 %
Miscellaneous weights: 100 tons, 3.6 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
958 lbs / 435 Kg = 12.8 x 5.3 " / 135 mm shells or 0.4 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.15
Metacentric height 1.8 ft / 0.6 m
Roll period: 13.3 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 61 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.89
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.22

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.441
Length to Beam Ratio: 9.23 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 22.96 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 67 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 17.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 9.84 ft / 3.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 25.59 ft / 7.80 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 19.69 ft / 6.00 m
- Mid (50 %): 19.69 ft / 6.00 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 19.69 ft / 6.00 m
- Stern: 19.69 ft / 6.00 m
- Average freeboard: 20.16 ft / 6.14 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 164.1 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 82.1 %
Waterplane Area: 11,044 Square feet or 1,026 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 80 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 42 lbs/sq ft or 207 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.45
- Longitudinal: 2.60
- Overall: 0.53
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is cramped
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Wallachia, Romania Torpedo Cruiser laid down 1937

Displacement:
5,900 t light; 6,074 t standard; 6,758 t normal; 7,305 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
577.91 ft / 557.74 ft x 59.06 ft x 18.90 ft (normal load)
176.15 m / 170.00 m x 18.00 m x 5.76 m

Armament:
10 - 4.33" / 110 mm guns (5x2 guns), 40.61lbs / 18.42kg shells, 1937 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
16 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (8x2 guns), 1.95lbs / 0.89kg shells, 1937 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, 4 raised mounts
8 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns (4x2 guns), 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1937 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 439 lbs / 199 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150
24 - 23.6" / 600 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 2.36" / 60 mm 408.27 ft / 124.44 m 9.22 ft / 2.81 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 113 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 3.15" / 80 mm 1.97" / 50 mm 3.15" / 80 mm
3rd: 0.79" / 20 mm - -
4th: 0.39" / 10 mm - -

- Armour deck: 1.57" / 40 mm, Conning tower: 3.94" / 100 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 67,858 shp / 50,622 Kw = 33.75 kts
Range 7,500nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1,231 tons

Complement:
372 - 484

Cost:
£2.814 million / $11.257 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 55 tons, 0.8 %
Armour: 1,074 tons, 15.9 %
- Belts: 362 tons, 5.4 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 75 tons, 1.1 %
- Armour Deck: 607 tons, 9.0 %
- Conning Tower: 30 tons, 0.4 %
Machinery: 1,881 tons, 27.8 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 2,740 tons, 40.5 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 858 tons, 12.7 %
Miscellaneous weights: 150 tons, 2.2 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
9,588 lbs / 4,349 Kg = 236.1 x 4.3 " / 110 mm shells or 1.5 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.32
Metacentric height 3.7 ft / 1.1 m
Roll period: 12.9 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 53 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.09
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.07

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.380
Length to Beam Ratio: 9.44 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 27.54 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 56 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 35.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 1.97 ft / 0.60 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 25.98 ft / 7.92 m
- Forecastle (13 %): 16.54 ft / 5.04 m
- Mid (35 %): 16.54 ft / 5.04 m
- Quarterdeck (14 %): 16.54 ft / 5.04 m
- Stern: 16.54 ft / 5.04 m
- Average freeboard: 17.03 ft / 5.19 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 99.4 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 64.3 %
Waterplane Area: 20,836 Square feet or 1,936 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 125 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 87 lbs/sq ft or 427 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.97
- Longitudinal: 1.37
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is cramped

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Wednesday, November 26th 2008, 5:59am

One of the things I'm thinking here is that the Wallachia might better benefit from the same 135mm armament as the vr32 you posted here, even if it's just 4x2.

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Wednesday, November 26th 2008, 7:47am

The SAE can offer the Buzzard (LD35) class of light destroyers.

Starting Q3/37 it would be possible to book a type 2 slip in Daressalam.

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Wednesday, November 26th 2008, 1:50pm

Bulgaria might be able to offer a D2 option, but I'll have to reschedule something depending on when Romania's looking to start, and how long the project's going to last...

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Wednesday, November 26th 2008, 1:56pm

Germany has a couple Type 2 slips and docks that are available for foreign production in 1937/1938.

On Wallachia, I'm inclined to agree with Brockpaine, 135mms vs 110mms would be a worthwhile change.

How are the torpedoes on the Vr32 laid out? I don't think you're going to have enough length on a 120m hull to fit all those turrets and torpedoes on the centerline...

Also, what exactly is Rumania looking for in MTBs?

This post has been edited 1 times, last edit by "Hrolf Hakonson" (Nov 26th 2008, 2:25pm)


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Wednesday, November 26th 2008, 8:37pm

Two British companies are offering MTBs. Please note that both are flexible to what gun armament you wish to mount. Those listed are representive.

British Power Boats Ltd

BPB-60-2/B (60 Foot Series): 24 tons, 60.25x13.4x2.83ft (18.36x4.1x0.86m), three 600hp Rolls Royce Kestrel VIIN petrol engines, 32.5kts, 490 miles at 32kts, two 21in torpedoes and two twin .661in Vickers HMGs, 11 crew.

Vosper Thornycroft

MTB-72: 45 tons, 72.5x19.5x5.5ft (22.1x5.94x1.68m), three 1,150hp Isotta-Fraschini petrol engines, 44kts, 280 miles at 40kts, two 21in torpedoes and two twin 0.50in HMGs, 12 crew.

Vosper 75 Foot Type: 37 tons, 74.3x16.7x3.3ft (22.63x5.05x1m), two 1,300hp Thornycroft petrol engines, 30kts, 1850-2000 gallons petrol, two 21in torpedoes, two single .661in Vickers HMGs and two single .303in Vickers ‘K’ LMGs, 12 crew.

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Wednesday, November 26th 2008, 11:06pm

Belgium just cleared her type 2 dock, and so that is available adjacent to the T3 building your cruiser :)

All told, by the end of Q4/36 Belgium will have 3 empty type 1 slips, 3 empty type 0 slips, and 1 empty type 2 drydock.

By the end of Q1/37, the type 3 slip will clear as well as King Albert launches.

Belgium will likely use some of them, but I don't know which so things are flexible.

This post has been edited 1 times, last edit by "Kaiser Kirk" (Nov 26th 2008, 11:12pm)


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Thursday, November 27th 2008, 12:11am

MTB's

Atlantis can offer the following designs.

MTB-E1 type (1930) export version of MTB-1

Demensions: 70x19x5
displacement: 35 tons
Armament: 2x20mm, 4x0.50 cal mg, 4x18"TT, 6 D.C.
Machinery: 3x 1200 hp Roth-Packard liquid cooled engines
Speed: 41 knots
Cruising radius: 1200 nm
Crew: 15
Equipment: Radio (W/T), hydrophone, smoke apparatus

MTB-202 class

Demensions: 80.'3"x20',7"x5'
displacement: 50 tons
Armament: 2x20mm, 4x0.50 cal mg (2x2), 4x21"TT or 10 D.C.or 2x21" TT and 8 D.C.
Machinery: 3x 1500 hp Roth-Packard liquid cooled engines
Speed: 44 knots
Cruising radius: 1400 nm
Crew: 17
Equipment: Radio (W/T), hydrophone, smoke apparatus

MGB type 2

Heavily modified type 2 motor launch, similar armament to type 2 motor launch.

Dimensions: 115' x 20'.10"x 4'.9"
displacement: 95 tons
Armament 1x40mm forward, 2x20mm 2xtwin0.50 cal mg, 2x21" TT or 6 mines
Machinery 4x 1,200 hp Roth petrol motor
speed 30 knots
Equipment: Radio (W/T), hydrophone, smoke apparatus

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Thursday, November 27th 2008, 12:19am

Nordmark can offer the use of a type 3 slip and a type 3 dock for the construction of the 2 ships that Romania wishes to build. If you are interested, PM me to discuss a small rate of rent.

Nordmark also offers a new torpedo boat design to fit Romania's requirement.

Rom TB 37, Romania (nordish Export) Torpedo Boat laid down 1937

Displacement:
700 t light; 742 t standard; 833 t normal; 907 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
248.01 ft / 240.00 ft x 26.00 ft x 11.00 ft (normal load)
75.59 m / 73.15 m x 7.92 m x 3.35 m

Armament:
4 - 4.33" / 110 mm guns (2x2 guns), 42.00lbs / 19.05kg shells, 1937 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline ends, evenly spread
4 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (2x2 guns), 2.00lbs / 0.91kg shells, 1937 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on centreline ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts
8 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns (4x2 guns), 0.27lbs / 0.12kg shells, 1937 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 178 lbs / 81 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 245
4 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 1.00" / 25 mm 0.50" / 13 mm -
2nd: 0.50" / 13 mm - -

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 18,462 shp / 13,773 Kw = 30.50 kts
Range 3,500nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 165 tons

Complement:
76 - 100

Cost:
£0.516 million / $2.065 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 22 tons, 2.6 %
Armour: 8 tons, 1.0 %
- Belts: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 8 tons, 1.0 %
- Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0.0 %
Machinery: 372 tons, 44.6 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 280 tons, 33.6 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 134 tons, 16.0 %
Miscellaneous weights: 18 tons, 2.2 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
254 lbs / 115 Kg = 6.2 x 4.3 " / 110 mm shells or 0.2 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
Metacentric height 0.8 ft / 0.2 m
Roll period: 12.2 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 51 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.72
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 0.85

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.425
Length to Beam Ratio: 9.23 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 17.97 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 73 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 60
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 20.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 22.00 ft / 6.71 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 17.00 ft / 5.18 m
- Mid (45 %): 17.00 ft / 5.18 m (9.00 ft / 2.74 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (10 %): 9.00 ft / 2.74 m
- Stern: 9.50 ft / 2.90 m
- Average freeboard: 13.03 ft / 3.97 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 167.7 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 67.2 %
Waterplane Area: 4,053 Square feet or 377 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 68 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 30 lbs/sq ft or 149 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.50
- Longitudinal: 4.16
- Overall: 0.62
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is cramped
Poor seaboat, wet and uncomfortable, reduced performance in heavy weather

Construction in Nordmark, or Romania aquiring a construction liscence to build at home are both options open to discussion

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Wednesday, December 3rd 2008, 9:56am

My apologies for not replying to this. I've had some RL issues to deal with.

Comments, responses.

Brock/Hrolf, did you gentlemen mean something like this? Although it did lose abit of speed and range, as well as 2 guns.

Hrolf, Your probably right in this case, vr 32 is my attempt to sim competitor to the Bulgarian Heavy Destroyers being built next year, on a hull 70 ft shorter to fit in a class 1. I've reduced the torpedo armament to 8, with likely 4 a side, although this is an area I have no knowledge of (besides bigger and more is likely better). Revised sim below. As too MTB's, something below 100tons, fast, and packing a decent torpedo punch to do a 1905 Port Arthur in Sevastopol if Romania feels she needs too (whistles innocently :D).

Everyone Else: Thank you for the designs and offers for dockyard space. I will leave the offer open until Friday and then make a decision then.

Wallachia, Romania Torpedo Cruiser laid down 1937

Displacement:
6,036 t light; 6,226 t standard; 6,758 t normal; 7,184 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
577.91 ft / 557.74 ft x 59.06 ft x 18.90 ft (normal load)
176.15 m / 170.00 m x 18.00 m x 5.76 m

Armament:
8 - 5.31" / 135 mm guns (4x2 guns), 75.07lbs / 34.05kg shells, 1937 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
16 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (8x2 guns), 1.95lbs / 0.88kg shells, 1937 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, 4 raised mounts
8 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns (4x2 guns), 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1937 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 634 lbs / 287 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150
24 - 23.6" / 600 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 2.36" / 60 mm 408.27 ft / 124.44 m 9.22 ft / 2.81 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 113 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 3.15" / 80 mm 1.97" / 50 mm 3.15" / 80 mm
3rd: 0.79" / 20 mm - -
4th: 0.39" / 10 mm - -

- Armour deck: 1.57" / 40 mm, Conning tower: 3.94" / 100 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 67,858 shp / 50,622 Kw = 33.75 kts
Range 5,750nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 958 tons

Complement:
372 - 484

Cost:
£2.952 million / $11.806 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 79 tons, 1.2 %
Armour: 1,076 tons, 15.9 %
- Belts: 362 tons, 5.4 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 77 tons, 1.1 %
- Armour Deck: 607 tons, 9.0 %
- Conning Tower: 30 tons, 0.4 %
Machinery: 1,881 tons, 27.8 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 2,850 tons, 42.2 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 722 tons, 10.7 %
Miscellaneous weights: 150 tons, 2.2 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
9,002 lbs / 4,083 Kg = 119.9 x 5.3 " / 135 mm shells or 1.4 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.28
Metacentric height 3.5 ft / 1.1 m
Roll period: 13.2 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 52 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.15
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.05

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.380
Length to Beam Ratio: 9.44 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 27.54 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 56 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 35.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 1.97 ft / 0.60 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 25.98 ft / 7.92 m
- Forecastle (13 %): 16.54 ft / 5.04 m
- Mid (35 %): 16.54 ft / 5.04 m
- Quarterdeck (14 %): 16.54 ft / 5.04 m
- Stern: 16.54 ft / 5.04 m
- Average freeboard: 17.03 ft / 5.19 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 102.2 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 64.3 %
Waterplane Area: 20,836 Square feet or 1,936 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 120 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 91 lbs/sq ft or 444 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.96
- Longitudinal: 1.40
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is cramped


vr 32, Romania Destroyer laid down 1937

Displacement:
2,319 t light; 2,462 t standard; 2,777 t normal; 3,028 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
411.37 ft / 393.70 ft x 42.65 ft x 13.12 ft (normal load)
125.38 m / 120.00 m x 13.00 m x 4.00 m

Armament:
10 - 5.31" / 135 mm guns (5x2 guns), 75.07lbs / 34.05kg shells, 1937 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline ends, majority forward, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
8 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (4x2 guns), 1.95lbs / 0.88kg shells, 1937 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on centreline, evenly spread, all raised mounts
12 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns (6x2 guns), 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1937 Model
Breech loading guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 769 lbs / 349 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 200
8 - 23.6" / 600 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 1.97" / 50 mm 1.97" / 50 mm -
2nd: 0.79" / 20 mm 0.79" / 20 mm -
3rd: 0.39" / 10 mm - -

- Conning tower: 1.97" / 50 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 45,575 shp / 33,999 Kw = 33.50 kts
Range 6,000nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 566 tons

Complement:
190 - 248

Cost:
£1.755 million / $7.022 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 96 tons, 3.5 %
Armour: 88 tons, 3.2 %
- Belts: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 80 tons, 2.9 %
- Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Conning Tower: 8 tons, 0.3 %
Machinery: 1,142 tons, 41.1 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 893 tons, 32.2 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 457 tons, 16.5 %
Miscellaneous weights: 100 tons, 3.6 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
918 lbs / 416 Kg = 12.2 x 5.3 " / 135 mm shells or 0.4 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.18
Metacentric height 1.9 ft / 0.6 m
Roll period: 13.0 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 61 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.88
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.23

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.441
Length to Beam Ratio: 9.23 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 22.96 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 67 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 17.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 9.84 ft / 3.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 25.59 ft / 7.80 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 19.69 ft / 6.00 m
- Mid (50 %): 19.69 ft / 6.00 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 19.69 ft / 6.00 m
- Stern: 19.69 ft / 6.00 m
- Average freeboard: 20.16 ft / 6.14 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 164.1 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 127.4 %
Waterplane Area: 11,044 Square feet or 1,026 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 80 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 40 lbs/sq ft or 196 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.42
- Longitudinal: 2.46
- Overall: 0.51
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

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Wednesday, December 3rd 2008, 10:48am

On Wallachia, I'd check the length of your armor belt, with fewer gun mounts you might not need it to be as long. You could also change the hull form a bit, going to a 10:1 length to beam ratio, which may save you some strength by lowering the amount of power needed to achieve whatever speed you need.

Germany has it's latest Schnelleboote available if Rumania's interested, it carries 4 21" torpedoes plus assorted light cannon.

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Wednesday, December 3rd 2008, 1:16pm

Bharat could rent for a modical fee a S3 slip in Q4 1937.

Bharat also offers the following MTB for modical fee also:

MTB-59 Type

Specifications

Design Date: 1934
Displacement: 38 t
Armament: 2x1 35 mm, 2x2 15 mm, 6x1 7.92 mm, 4 x 450 mm TT
Speed: 39 knots

This post has been edited 1 times, last edit by "perdedor99" (Dec 3rd 2008, 1:52pm)


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Wednesday, December 3rd 2008, 6:04pm

Here, try this Wallachia instead.

Quoted

Wallachia, Romanian Torpedo Cruiser laid down 1937

Displacement:
6,000 t light; 6,227 t standard; 6,759 t normal; 7,185 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
575.94 ft / 557.74 ft x 59.06 ft x 18.90 ft (normal load)
175.55 m / 170.00 m x 18.00 m x 5.76 m

Armament:
8 - 5.31" / 135 mm guns (4x2 guns), 75.07lbs / 34.05kg shells, 1937 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
16 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (8x2 guns), 1.95lbs / 0.89kg shells, 1937 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, all amidships, 4 raised mounts - superfiring
8 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns (4x2 guns), 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1937 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 634 lbs / 287 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 250
24 - 23.6" / 600 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 2.36" / 60 mm 372.41 ft / 113.51 m 9.22 ft / 2.81 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 103 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 1.97" / 50 mm 1.38" / 35 mm 1.97" / 50 mm
2nd: 0.79" / 20 mm - -
3rd: 0.39" / 10 mm - -

- Armour deck: 1.57" / 40 mm, Conning tower: 3.94" / 100 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 67,864 shp / 50,627 Kw = 33.75 kts
Range 5,750nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 958 tons

Complement:
372 - 484

Cost:
£2.945 million / $11.779 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 79 tons, 1.2 %
Armour: 1,025 tons, 15.2 %
- Belts: 335 tons, 5.0 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 53 tons, 0.8 %
- Armour Deck: 607 tons, 9.0 %
- Conning Tower: 30 tons, 0.4 %
Machinery: 1,881 tons, 27.8 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 2,865 tons, 42.4 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 759 tons, 11.2 %
Miscellaneous weights: 150 tons, 2.2 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
8,440 lbs / 3,828 Kg = 112.4 x 5.3 " / 135 mm shells or 1.4 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.15
Metacentric height 3.0 ft / 0.9 m
Roll period: 14.4 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.19
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.07

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.380
Length to Beam Ratio: 9.44 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 27.54 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 56 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 66
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 35.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 25.98 ft / 7.92 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 16.54 ft / 5.04 m
- Mid (50 %): 16.54 ft / 5.04 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 16.54 ft / 5.04 m
- Stern: 16.54 ft / 5.04 m
- Average freeboard: 17.29 ft / 5.27 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 102.7 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 64.3 %
Waterplane Area: 20,837 Square feet or 1,936 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 121 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 91 lbs/sq ft or 444 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.97
- Longitudinal: 1.45
- Overall: 1.01
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is cramped
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform


The armour belt is made sufficient to cover vitals; steadiness is improved; and the number of shells is raised. I thinned out the armour on the guns because I don't think a mount and hoist will work as well with all that armour; it either needs to become a proper turret/barbette, or it needs thinner armour. Additionally, it gets you a ship with a nice round number for light tonnage and construction!

I have one impertinent question: that BC is very low for a cruiser, should that not be raised a tad bit?

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Monday, January 5th 2009, 11:25pm

Okay, I've taken your suggestions and here's the revised design.

As well, is anyone interested in selling 54 flying boats (2 squadrons of 18 plus 18 spares in crates) to Romania?

Wallachia, Romania Torpedo Cruiser laid down 1937

Displacement:
5,982 t light; 6,193 t standard; 6,886 t normal; 7,441 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
577.91 ft / 557.74 ft x 55.77 ft x 18.90 ft (normal load)
176.15 m / 170.00 m x 17.00 m x 5.76 m

Armament:
8 - 5.31" / 135 mm guns (4x2 guns), 75.07lbs / 34.05kg shells, 1937 Model
Dual purpose guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
16 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (8x2 guns), 1.95lbs / 0.88kg shells, 1937 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, 4 raised mounts
8 - 0.79" / 20.0 mm guns (4x2 guns), 0.24lbs / 0.11kg shells, 1937 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 634 lbs / 287 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 200
24 - 23.6" / 600 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 2.36" / 60 mm 363.58 ft / 110.82 m 9.22 ft / 2.81 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length
Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 2.95" / 75 mm 0.98" / 25 mm 2.95" / 75 mm
3rd: 0.79" / 20 mm - -
4th: 0.39" / 10 mm - -

- Armour deck: 1.57" / 40 mm, Conning tower: 3.94" / 100 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 67,860 shp / 50,623 Kw = 33.50 kts
Range 7,500nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1,249 tons

Complement:
377 - 491

Cost:
£2.941 million / $11.765 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 79 tons, 1.2 %
Armour: 1,096 tons, 15.9 %
- Belts: 328 tons, 4.8 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 155 tons, 2.2 %
- Armour Deck: 583 tons, 8.5 %
- Conning Tower: 31 tons, 0.4 %
Machinery: 1,881 tons, 27.3 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 2,776 tons, 40.3 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 904 tons, 13.1 %
Miscellaneous weights: 150 tons, 2.2 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
8,279 lbs / 3,755 Kg = 110.3 x 5.3 " / 135 mm shells or 1.3 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.06
Metacentric height 2.3 ft / 0.7 m
Roll period: 15.4 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.25
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.01

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.410
Length to Beam Ratio: 10.00 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 27.27 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 56 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 70
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 35.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 1.97 ft / 0.60 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 25.98 ft / 7.92 m
- Forecastle (13 %): 16.54 ft / 5.04 m
- Mid (35 %): 16.54 ft / 5.04 m
- Quarterdeck (14 %): 16.54 ft / 5.04 m
- Stern: 16.54 ft / 5.04 m
- Average freeboard: 17.03 ft / 5.19 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 100.6 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 54.7 %
Waterplane Area: 19,996 Square feet or 1,858 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 122 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 89 lbs/sq ft or 436 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.97
- Longitudinal: 1.31
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is cramped
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

This post has been edited 1 times, last edit by "TheCanadian" (Jan 5th 2009, 11:30pm)


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Tuesday, January 6th 2009, 12:08am

Mexico has 10 Consolidated P2Y and 20 Azcarte Pelicano (Sikorsky S-42 clone) flyingboats available at the moment. Azcarte could probably pop out a few more Pelicanos if neccesary. It's not exacly what you want, but they are available immidietly.

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Tuesday, January 6th 2009, 1:36am

What sort of flying boats is Rumania looking for? What does Rumania want them to be able to do?

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Tuesday, January 6th 2009, 1:52am

Basically a combination of reconnaisance, anti-submarine work, and mine-dropping. In a time of war, these aircraft would be expected to be the eyes of the fleet, seeing as the Romanian Navy doesn't have radar, and won't be acquiring it anytime soon.

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Tuesday, January 6th 2009, 1:55am

Well, Germany has the Do-24 which can serve in all those roles (and as a torpedo bomber as well), along with the newer He-115. The US has the PBY, which can also accomplish those tasks.