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Anyway, armour's not all that important for a carrier in my eyes

Not important?!? You should have said that earlier!!


MIBN Arie Luyendijk, Brazil Carrier laid down 1939

Displacement:
16,220 t light; 16,684 t standard; 17,921 t normal; 18,911 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
703.84 ft / 680.00 ft x 68.00 ft x 25.00 ft (normal load)
214.53 m / 207.26 m x 20.73 m x 7.62 m

Armament:
8 - 3.54" / 90.0 mm guns (4x2 guns), 25.00lbs / 11.34kg shells, 1939 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, all amidships, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
6 - 3.54" / 90.0 mm guns in single mounts, 25.00lbs / 11.34kg shells, 1939 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side ends, evenly spread
24 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm guns (12x2 guns), 2.00lbs / 0.91kg shells, 1939 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts
16 - 0.54" / 13.7 mm guns in single mounts, 0.08lbs / 0.04kg shells, 1939 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 399 lbs / 181 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 400

Armour:
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 2.00" / 51 mm 1.00" / 25 mm 1.00" / 25 mm
2nd: 2.00" / 51 mm 1.00" / 25 mm 1.00" / 25 mm
3rd: 1.00" / 25 mm - -

- Conning tower: 2.75" / 70 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 237,168 shp / 176,927 Kw = 39.50 kts
Range 7,500nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 2,226 tons

Complement:
773 - 1,006

Cost:
£8.744 million / $34.974 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 44 tons, 0.2 %
Armour: 93 tons, 0.5 %
- Belts: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 53 tons, 0.3 %
- Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Conning Tower: 41 tons, 0.2 %
Machinery: 6,417 tons, 35.8 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 6,516 tons, 36.4 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,701 tons, 9.5 %
Miscellaneous weights: 3,150 tons, 17.6 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
12,594 lbs / 5,713 Kg = 566.2 x 3.5 " / 90 mm shells or 1.3 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.11
Metacentric height 3.4 ft / 1.0 m
Roll period: 15.4 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 52 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.08
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.21

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.543
Length to Beam Ratio: 10.00 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 29.62 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 65 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 43
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 30.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 3.00 ft / 0.91 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 36.10 ft / 11.00 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 34.10 ft / 10.39 m
- Mid (40 %): 34.10 ft / 10.39 m (26.10 ft / 7.96 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 26.10 ft / 7.96 m
- Stern: 26.10 ft / 7.96 m
- Average freeboard: 29.46 ft / 8.98 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 137.4 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 234.8 %
Waterplane Area: 33,359 Square feet or 3,099 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 109 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 105 lbs/sq ft or 511 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.90
- Longitudinal: 2.65
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

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I think the slips count waterline length, since that is what has to be structurally supported. Most slips are open frameworks so bow and stern overhangs wouldn't be a problem as long as the keel is supported.

A somewhat shrunken Yorktown...

G&C 1939CV-B, Brazilian Aircraft Carrier laid down 1939

Displacement:
19,638 t light; 20,090 t standard; 21,266 t normal; 22,206 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
741.44 ft / 721.00 ft x 82.00 ft x 23.40 ft (normal load)
225.99 m / 219.76 m x 24.99 m x 7.13 m

Armament:
12 - 3.54" / 90.0 mm guns (6x2 guns), 22.24lbs / 10.09kg shells, 1939 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts
on centreline ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts - superfiring
20 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm guns (10x2 guns), 1.55lbs / 0.70kg shells, 1939 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, all amidships, all raised mounts - superfiring
12 - 0.54" / 13.7 mm guns in single mounts, 0.08lbs / 0.04kg shells, 1939 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 299 lbs / 136 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 2.00" / 51 mm 499.51 ft / 152.25 m 10.87 ft / 3.31 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 107 % of normal length

- Torpedo Bulkhead:
1.00" / 25 mm 499.51 ft / 152.25 m 21.30 ft / 6.49 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 0.50" / 13 mm 0.50" / 13 mm -

- Armour deck: 2.00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 2.00" / 51 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 99,572 shp / 74,281 Kw = 31.00 kts
Range 10,000nm at 12.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 2,116 tons

Complement:
879 - 1,144

Cost:
£6.376 million / $25.504 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 37 tons, 0.2 %
Armour: 2,465 tons, 11.6 %
- Belts: 453 tons, 2.1 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 394 tons, 1.9 %
- Armament: 14 tons, 0.1 %
- Armour Deck: 1,571 tons, 7.4 %
- Conning Tower: 33 tons, 0.2 %
Machinery: 2,694 tons, 12.7 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 7,112 tons, 33.4 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,628 tons, 7.7 %
Miscellaneous weights: 7,330 tons, 34.5 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
35,654 lbs / 16,172 Kg = 1,602.9 x 3.5 " / 90 mm shells or 4.5 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
Metacentric height 4.5 ft / 1.4 m
Roll period: 16.3 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 61 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.02
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.79

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has raised forecastle
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.538
Length to Beam Ratio: 8.79 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 30.82 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 52 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 34
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 15.60 degrees
Stern overhang: 10.00 ft / 3.05 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 37.40 ft / 11.40 m
- Forecastle (15 %): 37.40 ft / 11.40 m (27.75 ft / 8.46 m aft of break)
- Mid (85 %): 27.75 ft / 8.46 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 27.75 ft / 8.46 m
- Stern: 27.75 ft / 8.46 m
- Average freeboard: 29.23 ft / 8.91 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 106.5 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 255.4 %
Waterplane Area: 42,465 Square feet or 3,945 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 137 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 108 lbs/sq ft or 525 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.94
- Longitudinal: 1.63
- Overall: 1.00
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

84 aircraft
274 tons misc

Why not give them a semi-historical Ranger or Wasp design?

A modified Oyama hull would do about the same thing.

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Why not give them a semi-historical Ranger or Wasp design?

Because I don't hate Brazil?

Lol, good answer.

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Originally posted by CanisD

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Why not give them a semi-historical Ranger or Wasp design?

Because I don't hate Brazil?

*smirks* Thank you. That's a very good design. You guys are making it hard for me to choose.

Btw, Canis, do you have any ideas for the Kansas yet?

Well, if the treaty holds together it won't come around until 1942-44 since reconstructed battleships can't be replaced for 30 years after initial completion and Texas was completed in 1914 and even if I don't refit the Tennessee's they won't be eligible until then either. If it doesn't, then ??? I could start with something like a North Carolina with better protection, or ramp things up towards the Iowa and Montana. Still not sure if I want to go the 18" route considering blast effects and the effectiveness of the heavy 16".

For replacement it depends entirely on which proposal is adopted. If mine is, you could start replacement right away. If Hood's is, you could start replacement in 1939. Either way, Cleito is going out with the bath water.

[Well, I do believe that I'll go with the American design. It's pretty much the perfect carrier for my needs.]

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MIBN Arie Luyendijk

Just keep it away from USS A.J. Foyt.


Brazil will probably wish to build, buy, borrow or steal a CV prior to 1939 (I was planning 1935*), as they already have a full complement of suitable aircraft from Sienar and (soon) FMA.

* - A little bird said that buying a "one careful owner" ship might be necessary due to Certain Events.

A.J. Who?

Don't worry. I am quite familiar with the US Autosports (and to me, this year's Indy 500 was much more exciting than the Monaco Grand Prix, which started some 5-6 hours earlier).
I do assume you are referring to Anthony Joseph Foyt, Jr. and not Anthony Joseph Foyt IV (as A.J. Foyt, Jr has the more impressive carreer record).

(I assume you know of the specific incident I was referring to?)

I'd have to say that that weekend's races were:
Coca-Cola 600 >> Indy 500 >>>>> GP of Monaco

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I assume you know of the specific incident I was referring to?

I assume you are referring to the 1997 'Tulip Incident' I read about.
Sadly, NASCAR, IRL and CART are rarely on TV here any more (as a matter of fact, I don't think it is on TV here at all these days).

Telling A.J. he didn't win ought to qualify one for a Darwin Award.

Do y'all get ESPN over there in Tulipland? If so you'll be getting some NASCAR this year...

Justice prevailed.

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Do y'all get ESPN over there in Tulipland?

No. Maybe it is possible via satelite, but I don't have a dish...