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Originally posted by BruceDuncan
The only comment/question is the proposed cruiser design, Los Rios. Admittedly, my thoughts are conditioned somewhat by hindsight, but isn't the design rather small compared with some of Chile's other recent cruisers? The design does not seem to have much stretch.
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[SIZE=3]Capitan Frey class, Chilean Frigate laid down 1937[/SIZE]
Displacement:
733 t light; 763 t standard; 865 t normal; 947 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
253.82 ft / 246.06 ft x 26.90 ft x 11.15 ft (normal load)
77.37 m / 75.00 m x 8.20 m x 3.40 m
Armament:
2 - 4.33" / 110 mm guns (1x2 guns), 40.61lbs / 18.42kg shells, 1943 Model
Dual purpose guns in a deck mount with hoist
on centreline forward
8 - 1.10" / 27.9 mm guns (2x4 guns), 0.67lbs / 0.30kg shells, 1943 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, all amidships
4 - 0.50" / 12.7 mm guns in single mounts, 0.06lbs / 0.03kg shells, 1937 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 87 lbs / 39 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 250
Armour:
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 1.38" / 35 mm 0.98" / 25 mm 1.18" / 30 mm
2nd: 0.59" / 15 mm - -
- Conning tower: 1.57" / 40 mm
Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 18,771 shp / 14,003 Kw = 30.64 kts
Range 6,500nm at 12.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 184 tons
Complement:
79 - 103
Cost:
£0.494 million / $1.977 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 11 tons, 1.3 %
Armour: 10 tons, 1.2 %
- Belts: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 7 tons, 0.8 %
- Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Conning Tower: 3 tons, 0.4 %
Machinery: 399 tons, 46.1 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 258 tons, 29.8 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 132 tons, 15.3 %
Miscellaneous weights: 55 tons, 6.4 %
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
257 lbs / 117 Kg = 6.3 x 4.3 " / 110 mm shells or 0.2 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.12
Metacentric height 0.9 ft / 0.3 m
Roll period: 12.1 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 53 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.28
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 0.83
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.410
Length to Beam Ratio: 9.15 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 18.25 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 72 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 64
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 20.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 21.33 ft / 6.50 m
- Forecastle (25 %): 16.73 ft / 5.10 m
- Mid (41 %): 16.73 ft / 5.10 m (8.86 ft / 2.70 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 8.86 ft / 2.70 m
- Stern: 8.86 ft / 2.70 m
- Average freeboard: 12.55 ft / 3.82 m
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 166.2 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 112.4 %
Waterplane Area: 4,255 Square feet or 395 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 73 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 29 lbs/sq ft or 139 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.51
- Longitudinal: 3.24
- Overall: 0.61
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
Poor seaboat, wet and uncomfortable, reduced performance in heavy weather
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Almirante Lynch, Chilean Destroyer laid down 1932 (Engine 1943)
Displacement:
2,000 t light; 2,126 t standard; 2,449 t normal; 2,708 t full load
Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
392.00 ft / 384.00 ft x 37.00 ft x 14.00 ft (normal load)
119.48 m / 117.04 m x 11.28 m x 4.27 m
Armament:
6 - 5.12" / 130 mm guns (3x2 guns), 67.03lbs / 30.41kg shells, 1943 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on centreline ends, majority forward, 1 raised mount - superfiring
8 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (4x2 guns), 1.95lbs / 0.89kg shells, 1943 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, all amidships, all raised mounts - superfiring
6 - 0.50" / 12.7 mm guns in single mounts, 0.06lbs / 0.03kg shells, 1932 Model
Machine guns in deck mounts
on side, all amidships, all raised mounts - superfiring
Weight of broadside 418 lbs / 190 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 325
10 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm above water torpedoes
Armour:
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 1.00" / 25 mm 0.50" / 13 mm -
2nd: 0.50" / 13 mm - -
3rd: 0.50" / 13 mm - -
- Conning tower: 1.00" / 25 mm
Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 44,765 shp / 33,395 Kw = 34.00 kts
Range 7,000nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 582 tons
Complement:
173 - 226
Cost:
£1.204 million / $4.817 million
Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 52 tons, 2.1 %
Armour: 19 tons, 0.8 %
- Belts: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Armament: 15 tons, 0.6 %
- Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0 %
- Conning Tower: 4 tons, 0.2 %
Machinery: 1,079 tons, 44.1 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 794 tons, 32.4 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 450 tons, 18.4 %
Miscellaneous weights: 55 tons, 2.2 %
Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
876 lbs / 397 Kg = 13.1 x 5.1 " / 130 mm shells or 0.4 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.20
Metacentric height 1.6 ft / 0.5 m
Roll period: 12.4 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.72
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.19
Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak, low quarterdeck
and transom stern
Block coefficient: 0.431
Length to Beam Ratio: 10.38 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 22.49 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 66 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 59
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 19.99 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 22.00 ft / 6.71 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 20.00 ft / 6.10 m
- Mid (50 %): 20.00 ft / 6.10 m (16.00 ft / 4.88 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 12.00 ft / 3.66 m (16.00 ft / 4.88 m before break)
- Stern: 12.00 ft / 3.66 m
- Average freeboard: 17.56 ft / 5.35 m
Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 163.0 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 93.8 %
Waterplane Area: 9,271 Square feet or 861 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 87 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 41 lbs/sq ft or 199 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.50
- Longitudinal: 2.58
- Overall: 0.59
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Breakdown of Miscellaneous Weights:
- 15 tons for Colocolo launchers
- 5 tons for hydrophones
- 5 tons for depth charges (24x420-lb bombs)
- 30 tons for dradis and electronics suite
Notes:
500 tons each to rebuild
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