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Friday, June 8th 2007, 3:52pm

Quoted

Originally posted by Red Admiral
Going to 135mm secondaries and 40mm light AA meant that more secondary guns can be mounted. The raised mountings are now duples instead of singles. Italy already has the 135mm gun in production and designs for triple and duple turrets.

Ansaldo III laid down 1935

Displacement:
20,753 t light; 21,969 t standard; 22,900 t normal; 23,644 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
577.12 ft / 557.74 ft x 85.30 ft (Bulges 91.86 ft) x 26.25 ft (normal load)
175.91 m / 170.00 m x 26.00 m (Bulges 28.00 m) x 8.00 m

Armament:
6 - 15.00" / 381 mm guns (3x2 guns), 1,951.09lbs / 885.00kg shells, 1935 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, majority aft, 1 raised mount aft - superfiring
12 - 5.31" / 135 mm guns (4x3 guns), 70.55lbs / 32.00kg shells, 1935 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on side, all forward
10 - 5.31" / 135 mm guns (5x2 guns), 70.55lbs / 32.00kg shells, 1935 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts with hoists
on side, all forward, all raised mounts - superfiring
32 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (8x4 guns), 1.95lbs / 0.89kg shells, 1935 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread
Weight of broadside 13,321 lbs / 6,042 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 100

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 13.0" / 330 mm 298.56 ft / 91.00 m 13.12 ft / 4.00 m
Ends: Unarmoured
Main Belt covers 82 % of normal length
Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

- Torpedo Bulkhead and Bulges:
2.76" / 70 mm 298.56 ft / 91.00 m 26.25 ft / 8.00 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 13.8" / 350 mm 9.06" / 230 mm 11.0" / 280 mm
2nd: 5.31" / 135 mm 2.76" / 70 mm 2.76" / 70 mm
3rd: 1.97" / 50 mm 1.18" / 30 mm 1.18" / 30 mm
4th: 0.39" / 10 mm 0.39" / 10 mm -

- Armour deck: 5.91" / 150 mm, Conning tower: 2.76" / 70 mm

Machinery:
Diesel Internal combustion motors,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 32,000 shp / 23,872 Kw = 21.31 kts
Range 2,000nm at 20.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1,675 tons

Complement:
930 - 1,210

Cost:
£10.674 million / $42.697 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 1,480 tons, 6.5 %
Armour: 9,029 tons, 39.4 %
- Belts: 2,326 tons, 10.2 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 799 tons, 3.5 %
- Armament: 2,070 tons, 9.0 %
- Armour Deck: 3,787 tons, 16.5 %
- Conning Tower: 48 tons, 0.2 %
Machinery: 909 tons, 4.0 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 9,035 tons, 39.5 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,147 tons, 9.4 %
Miscellaneous weights: 300 tons, 1.3 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
31,339 lbs / 14,215 Kg = 18.6 x 15.0 " / 381 mm shells or 6.3 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.08
Metacentric height 4.6 ft / 1.4 m
Roll period: 18.0 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.70
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.32

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has rise forward of midbreak
Block coefficient: 0.596
Length to Beam Ratio: 6.07 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 23.62 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 46 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 53
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 30.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 3.28 ft / 1.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 27.89 ft / 8.50 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 21.33 ft / 6.50 m
- Mid (40 %): 21.33 ft / 6.50 m (13.12 ft / 4.00 m aft of break)
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 13.12 ft / 4.00 m
- Stern: 13.12 ft / 4.00 m
- Average freeboard: 16.93 ft / 5.16 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 83.2 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 111.1 %
Waterplane Area: 34,667 Square feet or 3,221 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 100 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 186 lbs/sq ft or 907 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 0.96
- Longitudinal: 1.54
- Overall: 1.01
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily


Can I get a drawing of the layout? It seems to be an unorthodox one. As it stands this ship, the US ship and the first Nordmark are on the run for a contract.

This post has been edited 1 times, last edit by "perdedor99" (Jun 8th 2007, 3:52pm)


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Friday, June 8th 2007, 3:59pm

Looks like this but the twin turrets are triple 135s and the raised single mountings are duple 135s.

Buy the Italian one, it's got bigger guns.

This post has been edited 1 times, last edit by "Red Admiral" (Jun 8th 2007, 4:00pm)


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Friday, June 8th 2007, 4:09pm

Quoted

Originally posted by Red Admiral
Looks like this but the twin turrets are triple 135s and the raised single mountings are duple 135s.

Buy the Italian one, it's got bigger guns.

doesn't work. Does it look like the one you posted at the beginning of the thread?

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Friday, June 8th 2007, 4:15pm

First attempt didn't work for me, but the second time I tried it, I did get to it (though I had to refresh the page when it said "page not found"). Third time I am trying now doesn't work, fourth time does work (again needed to refresh when the "page not found" remark popped up).
... and yes it is the one Gavin posted earlier.

This post has been edited 1 times, last edit by "Rooijen10" (Jun 8th 2007, 4:15pm)


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Friday, June 8th 2007, 4:18pm

BTW, first and third time I got to some weird page and got a "Attenzione, la pagina che cerchi non esiste!" remark.

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Friday, June 8th 2007, 4:45pm

Thats because the image is on a page with an Italian ISP.

Yes it is the same design as previously posted, just a different drawing.

http://xoomer.alice.it/bk/NWS/Royal_Swed…ml/Ansaldo.html

This post has been edited 1 times, last edit by "Red Admiral" (Jun 8th 2007, 4:45pm)


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Friday, June 8th 2007, 4:53pm

a ship that ugly needs to be build in WW even with IMO the Nordmark and the US ships being slightly superior. You got a deal with construction starting in Q1/ 1935 only if you apply a 10% fee. then in Q3 1935 we will start the sister ship in Romania.

This post has been edited 1 times, last edit by "perdedor99" (Jun 8th 2007, 4:55pm)


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Friday, June 8th 2007, 5:12pm

You call it ugly, I think it looks pretty good.
... then again, people accuse me of being insane so that might be the reason why I like that ship. :D